In some disciplines (psych, ed, nursing, etc), Research Methods is taught as
another course.  However, both courses should identify the relation between
course contents.

G Robin Edwards wrote:

> In article <uon58.2302$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>    Donald Macnaughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> At great length, and with many quotes, on a very interesting topic.  I
> fear I may have missed the original postings on this thread, though.
>
> There is however one area that seems not to have been addressed.  This is
> the field of statistical design of experiments.  The word "design"
> appears just once in the article, in connections with the t test.
>
> I am really disappointed that there was not some emphasis on the value of
> correctly designed experiments at all levels in the sciences, both "hard"
> and "soft".
>
> As a non-statistician, non-mathematician and non-academic (merely a
> practical chemist who spent his entire working life in industry) I
> introduced myself to statistics via the experiment design route using
> Brownlee's "Industrial Experimentation" in 1956.
>
> The elegance of simple ANOVA became apparent even to me, but the
> introduction to the ideas of "design" were even more exciting.  Many
> practical scientists at "bench" level can I feel readily appreciate many
> of the concepts of "design" and thus the notion of constructing a model
> which their experimental work will address and hence "prove" or "fail to
> support" the underlying hypotheses.
>
> This I feel is the way to get otherwise sceptical scientists and
> engineers into the way of considering their practical real-life problems
> as ones that require an "holistic" approach.  Few industrial
> investigations are single variable problems.
>
> My belief and experience is that too much emphasis on the formal
> mathematical exposition of statistical ideas - however relevant they are
> to statistics majors - serve only to distance the experimental scientist
> from the huge advantages to be gained from making use of designed
> experiments in a complex world.
>
> Quite simple examples can serve to generate acceptance and even
> enthusiasm for what we might regard as a rational approach but which
> might otherwise be discouraging for the newcomer to statistical design of
> experiments.  I've proved this to myself time and again in an industrial
> context.
>
> --
>   Robin Edwards  ZFC  Ta      Serious Statistical Software
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