Arthur Siegel wrote: > On Mon, 2006-09-04 at 21:36 -0500, John Zelle wrote: > > >> It may not be on that scale, but it would certainly cause me to survey the >> language landscape again to see if there are better languages for teaching. >> > > > On Tue, 2006-09-05 at 09:45 -0500, Peter Chase wrote: > >> If you want to expose your students to the full horror of a >> syntactically complete language, why not switch to C++, where you can >> run programs in the compiler? >> > > On Tue, 2006-09-05 at 09:54 -0500, Brad Miller wrote: > >> Its hard to say for sure, but if I had seen that in order to get >> user >> input I had to import sys and explain to students who are seeing >> their first programming language what sys.stdin was all about.... I >> don't think I would have explored Python much further. >> >> >> > On Tue, 2006-09-05 at 09:50 -0700, Radenski, Atanas wrote: > >> Me too :-) I would like to see both input and raw_input preserved. >> Replacing these with more complicated (from pedagogical perspective) >> methods would probably give an additional reason for educators to look >> at alternative languages, such as Ruby. >> > * > Being dispassionate on the issue itself - I have *never* used > raw_input() and, as it happens, I am generally literate enough at this > point so that the intentions of sys.stdin.readline is *clearer* to me > than is raw_input() - I am disturbed by the tone of the discussion. > > Guess I prefer the all-in-the-family temper tantrum, then the calm and > dispassionate threat - explicit or implicit. > > I guess I view it also as an example of the result of Python promoting > itself to the educational community in the wrong way, and on the wrong > footing, from day one - as the easy alternative, rather then as the > literate and productive alternative, the *best* alternative for getting > a certain class of problems solved in the least circuitous way. > > In particular, the kinds of real world problems a student might want to > solve or explore. > > Since sys.stdin.readline seems to me *more* literate, I'm OK with it. > > And will maintain my apparently cloistered, unreal world view of how a > motivated student might want most to be approached, and her fragility. > > Art > > > _______________________________________________ > Edu-sig mailing list > [email protected] > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig > > !DSPAM:518,44fec68267041915216640! > >
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