kirby urner wrote: > So in my telling, the revolution hadn't really started yet in > those early Wordstar and WordPerfect days. That was an > office culture revolution, a change of equipment, but had > little to do with real computing or computer science *except* > where so-called power users were concerned, with their > spreadsheet macros, with their xBase.
Absolutely right, and importantly right. At least that is the story I *lived*, as well. I was a business spreadsheet guy until by some miracle I was able to install on my computer - for free - a powerful, see-through, big-boy operating system that was the standard fare of academics and scientists for decades. *THAT HAD NO INTERFACE* to speak of. That was not kidstuff, as was essentially everything else then available. And with it I could plug into what the academics and scientists had been doing, because that is a culture more about the sharing of ideas and the competition of ideas than about the selling of ideas. While Kay is a product, very much, of the corporate world - Apple, Disney, HP. It shows in everything he is about. You have hit the nail, pretty much on the head, on why I consider Kay a diversion. But it also means that to a good extent among the heroes of my story is the traditional academic world. I think of things like the Geometry Center at the University of Minnesota. The power of the operating system that had descended from the heavens and that I could install on my 386 was the power to rejoin that world, to not be frozen out of a world of thinking for thinking's sake. Which is why I balk at a Python conference that emphasizes matters of education and clumsily freezes out the academics. My *insistence* on certain things is that we are in fact talking about things *lived*, not imagined. The history with Kay at or near its epicenter is very much *not* the history I lived. I do not believe, in fact, it exists in the way the history is now being written. One doesn't need to be particularly perceptive to know what one lived. But the elders must tell the story, and must tell it right. Art _______________________________________________ Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig