Sounds good to me, as long as we're clear that "promoting Python in education" is in no way limited to K-12. I'm a full time teacher of Python to adults and like to think edu-sig is the right venue for my kind of chatter as well. So far, I've felt that way. K-12 is important and welcome, but not the whole show.
Kirby On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Jeff Elkner <j...@elkner.net> wrote: > What I'm hoping for is broader participation and on-going effort in > promoting Python in education. It makes sense to coordinate this > effort with the PES, which could serve as a yearly gathering of folks > who have been working together throughout the year. This is a good > time to do this, following Van Lindberg's announcement of the new, > community PSF and the call for more folks to get involved in the > community. > > I think we should do this through the edu-sig for the following reasons: > > 1. The edu-sig is the currently existing group within the official > Python community whose focus is Python in education. > 2. The goal of the PES is the same as the goal of the edu-sig - to > support and promote Python's use in education. > > Thoughts? If there is general agreement, I'd like to propose that we > ask Chalmer to be the coordinator of the edu-sig for the next year and > that he take the lead in organizing the PES as his main task. > > On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Naomi Ceder <naomi.ce...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > As far as coordinating the PyCon Education Summit, I don't think there > is a > > strong precedent for any connection between Edu-Sig and running the > summit. > > > > In general, PyCon people are just that - PyCon organizing spots aren't > tied > > officially to any other Python organizations.... they may well be on the > > PSF, the board, etc... but they certainly don't have to be, other than > Ewa, > > who is officially board secretary and event coordinator. PyLadies events > > might be an exception, but otherwise I'm not thinking of any. > > > > Since I initially pitched the first summit to Edu-Sig to less than > lukewarm > > support, I'm a little surprised now to hear the summit being proposed as > the > > official event of Edu-Sig... not that I'm against it, particularly, but > I do > > think committed individuals are often more effective at getting specific > > things done. :-) > > > > Still if that's what you all want to do, and it can be a catalyst to > > re-invigorate Edu-Sig and make it more representative of all kinds of > Python > > education, I certainly wouldn't object. > > > > So my short answer is, "there is no precedent, do what you think best." > > > > Cheers, > > Naomi > > > > > > On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Jeff Elkner <j...@elkner.net> wrote: > >> > >> OK, I'm all set with the access I need to edit the edu-sig page. I > >> plan to spend at least part of my time on May 31st (National Day of > >> Civic Hacking) working on the web site. > >> > >> The bottom of our web page currently says: "Send suggestions for > >> changes to the edu-sig list.", which is a good way to handle > >> suggestions. > >> > >> Looking over the SIG page here: https://www.python.org/community/sigs/, > I > >> read: > >> > >> * Each SIG has a charter, a coordinator, a mailing list, and a > >> directory on the Python website. > >> * SIG membership is informal, defined by subscription to the SIG's > mailing > >> list. > >> * Anyone can join a SIG, and participate in the development > >> discussions via the SIG's mailing list. > >> > >> I don't think we have a edu-sig coordinator at present. Would this be > >> something you would be interested in doing, Chalmer? Perhaps Naomi can > >> shed some more light on the practice for the last two years since she > >> started it, but it seems to me that a revived edu-sig would be the > >> logical group to help coordinate the PES. > >> > >> At some point soon we should add edu-sig on the SIG page as one of the > >> currently active SIGs. > >> > >> On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Chalmer Lowe <chalmer.l...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > Jeff: > >> > > >> > Thanks for spinning up this conversation. Great stuff. > >> > > >> > My intent is to volunteer to chair the Python Education Summit (PES) > >> > next > >> > year (based on Naomi's comments regarding stepping down). I don't know > >> > what > >> > the formal process is to make that official... Naomi... can you shed > >> > light > >> > on that? > >> > > >> > As everyone prolly already knows, that is not a task that can be done > >> > alone, > >> > so there should be plenty of opportunities for others to get their > hands > >> > dirty. My guess/hope is that Jessica will want to help again this > year. > >> > > >> > I captured a ton of notes and thoughts that I am putting to paper to > >> > outline > >> > 'the process' for next year's PES. Planned on putting that up on > github > >> > as > >> > soon as I can. (I'm relocating right now, so free time is a luxury I > >> > don't > >> > have). > >> > > >> > Along with supporting the PES, I would love to support the types of > >> > efforts > >> > you are outlining here. > >> > > >> > Thanks again for firing up this conversation. > >> > > >> > chalmer > >> > > >> > Chalmer Lowe, MS > >> > > >> > http://projecteuler.net/profile/threelowelifes.png > >> > Level 1 > >> > > >> > > >> > On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Andre Roberge > >> > <andre.robe...@gmail.com> > >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Jeff Elkner <j...@elkner.net> > wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> Two questions: > >> >>> > >> >>> 1. Andre, what do I need to do to begin maintaining that page? > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> I have not maintained the page for quite a few years now. I changed > >> >> computer twice in the meantime. > >> >> > >> >> Here's what I remember that I had to do. > >> >> > >> >> 1. contact someone on the web support team (pointing out, I think, > to > >> >> the > >> >> relevant edu-sig discussion) > >> >> > >> >> I know you just asked about how to begin, but just in case you'd want > >> >> to > >> >> know, here were the next steps. > >> >> > >> >> 2. generate some ssh key (if I recall correctly) so that I would be > >> >> allowed to commit changes > >> >> 3. download the whole site (first time) or update it thereafter > >> >> 4. (re)build it locally. > >> >> 5. edit the relevant rst file > >> >> 6. rebuild it (repeat 5 and 6 as needed) > >> >> 7. commit changes > >> >> 8. repeat steps 3 to 6 as needed (based on suggestions/requests > >> >> received) > >> >> > >> >> Now, it could well be that, with the redesign, the process is much > >> >> easier > >> >> and can be done online using a CMS. > >> >> > >> >>> > >> >>> 2. Is there anyone in this thread not on edu-sig? My next reply > will > >> >>> go only to the list. > >> >>> > >> >>> On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Jessica Nickel > >> >>> <jessanic...@gmail.com> > >> >>> wrote: > >> >>> > Sounds like a plan. I would be happy to talk with Selena about the > >> >>> > work > >> >>> > to > >> >>> > bridge the gap between k-12 educators and Python programmers. I > was > >> >>> > a > >> >>> > k-12 > >> >>> > teacher for 10 years (music) and I have been working in schools > with > >> >>> > my > >> >>> > program to teach python coding to kids for the past year and a > half, > >> >>> > so > >> >>> > I do > >> >>> > have some experience in that area. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Jeff Elkner <j...@elkner.net> > >> >>> > wrote: > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> Great! So it seems we have two short term goals: > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> 1. Get someone to agree to maintain the website (I'm volunteering > >> >>> >> if > >> >>> >> there isn't anyone else chomping at the bit to do it). > >> >>> >> 2. Reach out to Selena Deckelman to help her with her efforts to > >> >>> >> bridge the gap between developers and K-12 teachers (a noble goal > >> >>> >> indeed!). > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> Do we agree that edu-sig is the sensible place to hold this > >> >>> >> conversation? > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> If we do, can we ask Selena to join the list if she is not > already > >> >>> >> there? I'll also encourage folks like Lee Harr (cc'd here), the > >> >>> >> creator of the wonderful Pynguin environment > >> >>> >> (https://code.google.com/p/pynguin/) to join the list and the > >> >>> >> discussion. > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 8:01 AM, Naomi Ceder > >> >>> >> <naomi.ce...@gmail.com> > >> >>> >> wrote: > >> >>> >> > One point of info I can add - the person you're thinking of > >> >>> >> > running > >> >>> >> > for > >> >>> >> > PSF > >> >>> >> > board is Selena Deckelman, who was on Nate's panel at the edu > >> >>> >> > summit. > >> >>> >> > She's > >> >>> >> > been very into bridging the gap between developers and K-12 > >> >>> >> > teachers. > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> >> > Naomi > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> _______________________________________________ > >> >>> Edu-sig mailing list > >> >>> Edu-sig@python.org > >> >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Edu-sig mailing list > >> Edu-sig@python.org > >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Naomi Ceder > > https://plus.google.com/u/0/111396744045017339164/about > _______________________________________________ > Edu-sig mailing list > Edu-sig@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig >
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