If u want more bells and whistles, cocalc.com like sage but it's a subscription service.
Sent from BlueMail On Jul 4, 2018, 12:26 PM, at 12:26 PM, A Jorge Garcia <calcp...@aol.com> wrote: >I like Processing and c9.io for my Computer Science kids. We also used >arduino studio with codrones. > >My math students and I use python a lot on sagecell.sagemath.org. > >HTH, >AJG > >Sent from BlueMail > >On Jul 4, 2018, 12:16 PM, at 12:16 PM, Andre Roberge ><andre.robe...@gmail.com> wrote: >>On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 12:09 PM Wanjun Zhang <by.wan...@gmail.com> >>wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> We recently had to pick a beginner-friendly python editor for our >>Invent >>> to Learn summer program. We also teach a lot of Raspberry Pi based >>Intro to >>> Python workshops for kids and adults alike. In addition to >>editor/IDE, >>> there’s another category to consider - specialized education >platform >>- For >>> instance, EarSketch <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EarSketch> is a >>> programming environment made specifically to teach coding through >>sound >>> mixing. >>> >>> Over the years we tried Trinket.io, PyCharm Edu, Visual Studio Code, >>Mu, >>> iPythonNotebooks, Earsketch, Processing in Python mode, Thonny, IDLE >>+ some >>> I don’t remember. >>> >>> For us, it’s about prioritizing specific goals for our students and >>our >>> program. For the summer program we are working with FabLab Houston >to >>equip >>> students with both maker skills and programming skills. They will >>learn >>> Python with the Raspberry Pi with first the Minecraft Pi api, then >>sensor >>> stuffs with Circuit Python on Adafruit’s Circuit Playground Learning >>> Express, then Processing in Python mode to visualize some data with >>> neopixels. For Fab Lab our goal is also to 1. train FabLab staff >>members >>> with enough programming skills so they can deliver the Invent to >>Learn >>> program without us, 2. produce open source curriculum from this >>program for >>> other makerspaces. >>> >>> Ultimately, I think it should be up to the specific teacher to pick >>out >>> features - as programmers we tend to look at specs and numbers, but >>we must >>> also prioritize setting up educators for success - they are the >>frontline >>> workers delivering the service. For instance, trinket.io is our >go-to >>> because a lot of educator’s don’t have admin access to their >>computers, so >>> web-based editor that is easy to use and specifically made for >>education is >>> great. However we do recognize the value in exposing our students to >>tools >>> that developers use - like PyCharm. >>> This is our pro and cons list off of the top of my head for choosing >>an >>> editor for different partners and educators that we work with: >>> >>> - *Platform* - can we do things in command line on the computer that >>is >>> available to us, whether that’s a raspberry pi, mac, or pc? >>Trinket.io is >>> a great web-based solution if that’s an issue. >>> >>> - Existing *resources and community* - are there educator resources? >>Is >>> this random IDE made by one person as a marketing exercise? if open >>source, >>> when is the projects' last pull request? The Thonny Editor is >awesome >>> because there are a lot of high quality curriculum from >>> https://projects.raspberrypi.org/ Same goes for Trinket.io. >>> >>> - Learning Curve for *educator *- If a teacher is teaching this and >>not a >>> developer, are they able to successfully use this tool? Do we expect >>them >>> to learn to use the terminal? Again, Trinket.io is a great starting >>point. >>> >>> - Learning Curve for *student *- Does the IDE/Editor have too many >>> options? Not enough? What is the cognitive load for the student. >>> >>> *- Utility for student* - Do we want to provide a real world >>developer >>> experience for our students? Or is our goal to have them build >>something as >>> to inspire. Is this a long term program or a short term project? Do >>we want >>> learners to quickly go through turtles (trinket.io) or be exposed to >>> developer tools (pycharm)? >>> >>> After much consideration, we chose Thonny and also Python mode in >the >>> Processing IDE for our three week program. >>> >>> Hope this helps. >>> >> >> >>Yes, it does help very much. I like your choice of Thonny + >>Processing. >>And your list of criterion is very good and may be useful to many >>people on >>this list. >> >>/Digression about trinket, and an alternative that I designed >> >>I know that a lot of people like trinket.io. However, it has some >>negative >>points in my opinion: >> >>1. It uses an implementation of Python 2 - it is not compatible with >>Python >>3. To me, this is almost inexcusable. >>2. It is not a completely free, open source solution. >> >>As web based alternative to trinket, I suggest my own site: >>http://reeborg.ca/reeborg.html - which does support Python 3 and does >>not >>require users to log in. This has the downside that they cannot save >>their >>code on my site. However, it is possible to load code hosted >elsewhere. >>For >>example, one could save some code on https://pastebin.com/ and load it >>from >>there. >> >>For graphics, Reeborg's World is based on using a Karel-like robot >>instead >>of a turtle mode ... BUT, one can (in principle) use turtle graphics >on >>it >>-- I just haven't gotten around to incorporating the Brython turtle >>module >>into it. (It's on my list of things to do. I can bump it up in >>priority >>enough people are interested, willing to test it and provide >feedback). >> >>While anyone can run arbitrary programs on it, it is designed to have >>tasks >>that can give feedback to students as to whether or not a given task >>has >>been accomplished. >> >>It also offers the *choice* of using an REPL or a block programming >>interface. Students can do live "pair programming" (with 2 or more >>people >>working on a same program from different computers) - or this can also >>be >>done by a teacher guiding a student at distance. (For this feature, >it >>uses Mozilla's TogetherJS - which is not compatible with the block >>interface designed by Google.) One can step through the code, examine >>the >>content of variables at every stage, etc. >> >>Because it is open source, anyone can get a copy of it and run it on >>their >>own site. (Many teachers do this, as their students have limited >>access to >>the Internet.) There's more that I could mention including an online >>python tutorial which I wrote and which is available in 3 languages >>(with a >>4th one in the works), an online texbook (written by someone else) >that >>uses it, a printed book (published in France by another author) etc., >>but >>this should be enough motivation for anyone interested to have a look >>at it. >> >>/End of digression >> >> >> >>André >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Edu-sig mailing list >>Edu-sig@python.org >>https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig
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