Hi Edubuntu developers (and debian-edu developers) We had Rubén Romero y Cordero and Arnt Ove Gregersen from Debian-Edu (also known as Skolelinux) joining us so that we can discuss collaboration between the two projects.
Two areas we identified as possible starting points are: 1. Packaging work: for a start, get education related packages that are just in Ubuntu in Debian as well. These are packages like nanny, edubuntu-menueditor, librecad, etc. Some packages may already have ITP's in Debian so we'll have to work on the best ways to approach this kind of work. 2. Integration between Edubuntu clients and Debian-Edu servers. Some Debian-Edu environments are already mixed environments with Debian and Ubuntu machines. Debian-Edu provides an central authentication out of the box. It would be great if we could include an easy method of integrating into a Debian-Edu environment with Edubuntu. We also discussed communication and we will probably have a session at UDS where we will specifically invite Debian-Edu people to participate in. Rubén is going to follow up with the Ubuntu community manager to see if it's still possible to apply for sponsorship. Edubuntu people are pretty much available on #edubuntu on freenode, and debian-edu people are on #debian-edu on #oftc. Some of us will be on both :) If there's any questions or comment feel free to shout, this is going to be an ongoing process and will take effort from both sides. Thanks for reading! Here's a full dump of our meeting: 15:00 * stgraber waves 15:00 < stgraber> highvoltage: ping 15:00 < highvoltage> stgraber: pong 15:01 < highvoltage> stgraber: are you and M going to make it back in time? 15:01 < alkisg> o/ 15:01 < stgraber> mgariepy and I will have to skip this meeting, sorry 15:01 < highvoltage> stgraber: ok 15:01 < stgraber> just left the US 15:01 < highvoltage> ouch, ok 15:02 < highvoltage> who else is here for the Edubuntu meeting? 15:03 < highvoltage> here's the Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Meetings/Agenda 15:03 < highvoltage> and the roadmap wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Devel/RoadMap 15:04 < highvoltage> Beta 1 release is happening tomorrow, we're mostly looking good for that, I've been testing upgrades today 15:04 < highvoltage> as well as i386/amd64 DVD installs 15:04 < highvoltage> still have to test LTSP but at least it installed fine 15:05 < highvoltage> I missed some icons in the installer slideshow, but it's not critical, I hope to get a freeze exception for those 15:05 < highvoltage> we still also have italc crashing on amd64, which is weird since we thought we removed it from the live session 15:06 < highvoltage> Rubén Romero y Cordero has been working on improving the relationship between Debian-Edu/Skolelinux and Edubuntu 15:07 < highvoltage> he arranged for the Debian guys to join us for this meeting so that we can discuss collaboration, unfortunately I don't know their nicks, are you guys here? 15:07 * huayra would be Rubén 15:08 < arnt> I am the board leader in FRISK the member organization for DebianEdu 15:08 < highvoltage> ah right! hi huayra and arnt :) 15:09 < arnt> FRISK is short for "Free software in the schools" , an organization that promots the use of the FLOSS software in the Norwegian schools 15:09 < huayra> hi highvoltage and the rest of the edubuntu team 15:09 < arnt> hi highvoltage 15:09 < highvoltage> would you mind giving some introductions? unfortunately everyone isn't here, but it would be nice for the logs (I'll post it to the lists) and I'll take the liberty of introducing marc/staphane who can't be here right now 15:10 < arnt> hi the rest :) 15:10 < alkisg> Hi arnt and huayra :) 15:11 < highvoltage> I'm Jonathan Carter, I work for Révolution Linux that implements a full range of Linux solutions, we have many schools and educational institutions as clients and it's an important part of what we do 15:11 * alkisg is a Greek teacher, promoting (ed)ubuntu/ltsp in greek schools (about 200 so far) 15:11 < highvoltage> mgariepy and stgraber also works with me, they're on their way back from the US (we're based in Canada) so they couldn't make it for this meeting 15:12 < arnt> My name is Arnt Ove Gregersen, I work as a system developer at day time creating map related software , in my spare time I am the board leader for FRISK the DebianEdu member organization that works to promote FLOSS software in Norway 15:12 < highvoltage> the active members on https://launchpad.net/~edubuntu-members/+members is pretty much who's been recently active in Edubuntu. as you see it's a small team 15:13 < highvoltage> mhall119, who's usually around also works on Qimo4kids, a distribution for young kids: http://www.qimo4kids.com/ 15:14 * huayra is an Ubuntu Member and FRISK board member. Contact member for the Norwegian LoCo team. work with sales of Free Software. driver of SpreadUbuntu. Have a love for Skolelinux and Edubuntu, so it makes sense for me to do what I do (whatever it is I am doing) 15:14 < highvoltage> we've worked together to get some qimo packages into ubuntu. for the next release we should have a full qimo system available in the archives. it would actually be quite nice to have it available for debian as well 15:15 < arnt> sounds like a good idea 15:15 < highvoltage> in terms of what edubuntu does, it's not that far off from skolelinux/debian-edu. here are some screenshots of what we install: http://edubuntu.org/screenshots 15:15 < huayra> the usual route is Debian>Ubuntu IMHU 15:16 < huayra> Is there a way to get it the other way around in a smooth way that you know of, highvoltage (or anyone else?) 15:16 < highvoltage> huayra: indeed. we have some things in Ubuntu that's not packaged in Debian yet, like Nanny, for example 15:16 < mhall119> highvoltage: I missed the deadline to get anythign new into Natty's archives, I'll re-group and shoot for Oniric 15:16 < mhall119> Oneiric 15:16 < highvoltage> huayra: personally I'd want to become a Debian maintainer, so I'd love to do more Debian work, but I'll just need a sponsor 15:16 < mhall119> one of these days I'll remember how to spell it 15:16 < alkisg> Ονειρικό :) 15:17 < mhall119> if I can get some help, I'd love to get qimo packaged for debian 15:17 < huayra> highvoltage, I know several debian developers in the company I work at. I am not sure how that process work, but we could have a private chat on that afterwards and see what we can do 15:17 < highvoltage> huayra: vagrantc is going to help me with some ltsp packages, but if I could have some people willing to sponsor from the debian-edu side, that would be great 15:18 < mhall119> oh dang, this is a meething, and not #edubuntu, /me attention fail 15:18 < huayra> there is a lot of good will in the debian-edu site AFAIK 15:18 < highvoltage> huayra: great. there are other packages too like librecad, and also a bunch of other stuff we'd like to get in that would be more appropriate with the debian -> ubuntu route 15:18 < huayra> People are positive to work with Edubuntu as long as we work towards concrete results 15:19 < huayra> arnt, am I right? 15:19 < highvoltage> I think it's like that from both sides :) 15:19 < huayra> That is my impression from the Debian-edu dev meeting I assisted to, at least 15:19 < huayra> highvoltage, indeed :) 15:19 < highvoltage> heck, I'd even be happy if we can start communicating more :) 15:20 < highvoltage> but getting packages into debian would be a good start, imho 15:20 < highvoltage> at least, our steadily growing list of things that's just in the ubuntu archives and not in debian 15:20 < arnt> huayra: it is my impression as well 15:20 < arnt> communication is a good thing :) 15:20 < highvoltage> arnt: that was the IRL meeting right? 15:21 < arnt> IRL meeting ? 15:21 < highvoltage> IRL = In Real Life (as apposed to an IRC meeting) 15:21 < arnt> ah :) yes 15:22 < huayra> yes, highvoltage. In Oslo 15:22 < huayra> I have to admit that I didn't catch the IRL either... 15:22 < huayra> :) 15:22 < highvoltage> huayra mentioned before in an email that we could perhaps look at scripts and packages that would make it easier to integrate an edubuntu desktop machine into a skolelinux network 15:23 < highvoltage> do you have any strong feelings about that, arnt? 15:23 < arnt> yes, I guess that would be a good way to start the cooperation 15:23 < highvoltage> I was wondering whether some people might feel that we'd try to steal desktops from debian-edu or something if we do that 15:24 < highvoltage> but I also think that it would be nice if we could do that, considering that we don't have the central authentication abilities in edubuntu out of the box that you have in debian-edu 15:24 < arnt> many of our users use both debianedu and ubuntu / edubuntu in mixed enviroment so I guess that would make many people happy 15:24 < huayra> That was a proposal from a debian-edu dev. And he also mentioned something like: "some people use thin clients, some use fat clients and we have to please them all" 15:24 < highvoltage> so, so far we can already: 15:24 < highvoltage> 1. work on getting ubuntu-only packages into debian 15:25 < highvoltage> 2. work on better "interoperability" (for lack of better word right now) between edubuntu and skolelinux 15:25 < highvoltage> (I think that's already a good start) 15:25 < arnt> me too 15:25 < alkisg> Indeed 15:26 < huayra> sounds good, but we should divide 2 in 2 points: 15:26 < highvoltage> ah, I guess it's also worth while mentioning a slight bit about how we make decisions 15:26 < highvoltage> we have the Edubuntu Council, members are listed here: https://launchpad.net/~edubuntu-council 15:26 < huayra> 2.1 Ship Edubuntu with packages that integrate into a Debian-Edu server environment 15:27 < highvoltage> project-level decisions are usually voted on by the council, although I doubt we'll need to do anything like that today 15:27 < huayra> 2.2 Have a viable and open channel of communication between both communities where interoperability issues can be handled 15:28 < highvoltage> I usually hang out on #debian-edu, so if anyone needs to poke someone about an ubuntu/edubuntu issue, feel free to poke me 15:28 * huayra would like to emphasize: these are proposal, not orders or desicions :) 15:28 < highvoltage> (or any of us that are there, for that matter) 15:28 < highvoltage> huayra: *nod* 15:28 < highvoltage> we're about to finish off the current ubuntu development cycle, the next release is in April 15:29 < highvoltage> after that comes the Ubuntu Developer Summit, a few of us will be there to flesh out the ideas and proposals made for the next release cycle 15:30 < highvoltage> when planning the next release we can take debian-edu into account considering what we discussed today, and put the todo list items in our roadmap 15:30 < huayra> is UDS in Europe or in the US this time? 15:30 < highvoltage> Europe 15:30 < huayra> where? 15:30 < highvoltage> Budapest: http://uds.ubuntu.com/ 15:30 < huayra> I am considering to assist, but haven't check this time around yet (real life catching up...) 15:31 < huayra> about time to get back to Budapest :) 15:31 < huayra> ok, sorry, please continue 15:31 < highvoltage> no problem, I hate being the only one talking :) 15:32 < highvoltage> at least we can do a lot of things that aren't tied to the Ubuntu release cycle 15:32 < highvoltage> like packaging work in debian, for example 15:32 < arnt> great 15:33 < huayra> highvoltage, I can't come :( But will try to assist remotely if we can agree on setting up a meeting there that you can lead 15:33 < highvoltage> I don't know if there's anything else we can do for Debian at this stage, but we're certainly open to ideas 15:33 < huayra> We could invite Debian-Edu devs to join if it makes sense 15:33 < highvoltage> huayra: ok, I'll be sure to send you the details when scheduling is available 15:33 < huayra> arnt, thoughts around that? 15:34 < huayra> alkisg, mhall119 do you have ideas or wishes? 15:34 -!- skaet_ is now known as skaet_otp 15:34 * mhall119 hasn't been following along, sorry 15:34 < highvoltage> huayra: yep, I guess not all our sessions will be interesting for everyone, but we could probably have a session where some of these things could specifically be covered 15:34 < arnt> huayra, sounds like a good idea 15:35 < huayra> thanks highvoltage. I'll make sure to pass the information to FRISK and hopefully get some debian-edu devs joining, at least remotely 15:35 < alkisg> huayra: here in greece we're interested in the authentication part of skolelinux, it'd be great if that could cooperate with edubuntu desktops. So all of you covered what I wanted to say :) 15:35 < mhall119> I will be in Budapest though 15:35 < mhall119> if there's a session I can make 15:36 < huayra> sounds like we have 2 points we can work on and get down and dirty with themunder UDS 15:36 < highvoltage> (bbiab) 15:36 < huayra> and it seems we have enough time to get it all planned relatively well 15:37 < highvoltage> ok, back. stgraber and mgariepy also just arrived 15:38 < mgariepy> hi 15:38 < jever> moin 15:38 < highvoltage> what we've discussed in terms of collaboration so far, at least as proposals are: 15:38 < highvoltage> 15:24 < highvoltage> 1. work on getting ubuntu-only packages into debian 15:38 < highvoltage> 15:25 < highvoltage> 2. work on better "interoperability" (for lack of better word right now) between edubuntu and skolelinux 15:38 < highvoltage> 15:26 < huayra> 2.1 Ship Edubuntu with packages that integrate into a Debian-Edu server environment 15:38 < highvoltage> 15:27 < huayra> 2.2 Have a viable and open channel of communication between both communities where interoperability issues can be handled 15:39 < huayra> hi mgariepy and stgraber 15:40 < highvoltage> and that we'll probably have at least one UDS session where debian-edu folk can participate remotely 15:40 < highvoltage> (well, they can participate in all of them, of course, but one session at least that's focussed on collaboration, etc) 15:40 < highvoltage> how should we take this further? a wiki page? 15:41 < huayra> (and they can come to Budapest if they want or even ask for sponsorship from canonical) 15:42 < highvoltage> yep, the sponsorship deadline was yesterday, but if someone is serious about it they could probably still get in a late application 15:42 < huayra> A wiki page sounds good. Arnt should we replicate it in our site or just use the Ubuntu Wiki? 15:42 < arnt> a real life meeting between the developers sounds like to something we should try achieve 15:42 < huayra> I do not want to tip on anyone toes here, so I ask this in the open :) 15:42 < arnt> huary , at least we should link to it from our site 15:43 < highvoltage> personally I don't care where it is, but it should really be something we all can edit 15:43 < huayra> highvoltage, indeed. 15:44 < highvoltage> so either the ubuntu wiki or debian wiki would be ideal imho 15:44 < huayra> Arnt can we ask if any devs want to join this and ask them to apply for sponsorship. It's been a long time ago collaboration in this front happened and I am sure we can move some bricks and see if some sponsorship can be done 15:44 < highvoltage> fwiw I'm also going to try to attend debconf later this year 15:44 < arnt> is there any information on how and where to apply ? 15:45 < highvoltage> arnt: it's all on the UDS microsite: http://uds.ubuntu.com 15:45 < huayra> http://uds.ubuntu.com/participate/sponsorship/ 15:45 < arnt> ok, thanks 15:46 < highvoltage> arnt: we might have to ask the ubuntu community manager for some intervention, since the deadline for sponsorship applications has past, but I think it's worth a try 15:46 < huayra> highvoltage and arnt: i can ask Jono if we get someone on board 15:46 < highvoltage> huayra: great, thanks for taking that 15:47 < stgraber> hello again 15:47 < stgraber> just got back at the office 15:47 < huayra> but I will already ask him now so it's worth the effort of someone applying 15:47 < highvoltage> ok 15:48 < highvoltage> stgraber: do you have a minute to glance over the scrollback and provide some feedback? 15:48 < arnt> huayra, great 15:48 < huayra> arnt, can you take the asking the Debian-Edu dev community about this? 15:48 < huayra> please :) 15:49 < arnt> huayra, I will do so 15:49 < arnt> huayra, we can coordinate it afterwards 15:49 < highvoltage> is there anything else that we should discuss today? 15:49 < huayra> great 15:50 < highvoltage> (I'll send the logs of this discussion to both devel lists so that everyone can be up to date) 15:50 < arnt> highvoltage, I do not think so, we should start by taking small steps in my opinion 15:51 < arnt> highvoltage, and the above steps seems like some good steps to start with 15:51 < highvoltage> indeed. 15:52 < highvoltage> shall we adjourne? 15:52 < highvoltage> we're pretty much always available in #edubuntu as well, fwiw 15:52 < huayra> I think this is a good start, indeed 15:53 < arnt> I agree 15:53 < highvoltage> alkisg, huayra, arnt, mgariepy, mhall119, stgraber, jever: thanks for attenting! 15:54 * highvoltage hits the end of meeting gong 15:54 < alkisg> Thanks :) 15:54 < highvoltage> *GONG* 15:56 < mgariepy> Thanks -Jonathan -- edubuntu-devel mailing list edubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel