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Floor Koudijs Senior Manager, Wikipedia Education Program Wikimedia Foundation +1.415.839.6885 x6806 (landline) +1.415.692.5289 (cell phone) [email protected] education.wikimedia.org On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Shani <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, Floor. > > So great to have the team support this! Loved everyone's ideas and really > happy to collaborate with such a great bunch. > > Naturally, I'm in for the general video production, but would love to work > on this with maybe 1-2 more volunteers. So, who's in..? :) > > Cheers, > Shani. > > On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 1:03 AM, Floor Koudijs <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> I'm really loving this discussion. So happy to see you all chime in and >> share your ideas about what kind of format would be helpful for the monthly >> Collab meetings. >> >> Shani, thanks for suggesting the idea of a showcase. I love it. Let's >> make sure we find a balance between a 1 minute pitch (which is entirely too >> short to do anything justice) and a 15 minute exposé, which may be >> perceived as too long by some people. I also really like Melina's outline, >> and would like to encourage all of you to think about these questions for >> framing this: >> * Why is this interesting or relevant for an international audience? >> * What can others learn from this experience? >> * What was the major eye-opener / lesson you got from this experience? >> * Highlight one challenge and one creative solution you came up with >> (and I can keep going with these kinds of questions). >> >> Thanks as well for suggesting a general education-related video. That >> sounds really awesome. I did speak to Victor about something like that a >> long time ago, and much has changed since then, so it's probably time to >> dust off that conversation and see if we can get it moving. Since this is a >> request that came from our Collab members, I would be so very happy if >> (some of) you can take this forward. We would be happy to provide guidance >> as needed. I'm also happy to have an initial conversation with Victor to >> see whether he would be able to do this, or whether it might make more >> sense to go with the external group Sara suggested. Who of you Collab >> members would like to take the lead on this? (and let's put it in >> Phabricator then!) >> >> I look forward to a great meeting in December! >> >> >> Floor Koudijs >> >> Senior Manager, Wikipedia Education Program >> >> Wikimedia Foundation >> >> +1.415.839.6885 x6806 (landline) >> >> +1.415.692.5289 (cell phone) >> >> [email protected] >> >> education.wikimedia.org >> >> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 1:39 AM, Àlex Hinojo <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> sorry for the missquote, I was meaning exactly the same :-) >>> >>> 2015-11-30 10:33 GMT+01:00 Shani <[email protected]>: >>> >>>> Thanks to everyone who has already participated in this small >>>> "brainstorming" with me. :-) >>>> Just a quick clarification, I was talking about recording *only* the >>>> project showcase, not the whole session. I believe it's good and important >>>> to have an informal part, where peolpe are free to ask, share etc off >>>> record, without worrying about being recording, for exactly the reasons >>>> Sara mentioned. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Shani.. >>>> On 30 Nov 2015 11:04, "Sara Mörtsell" <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi everyone! >>>>> >>>>> Great progress guys!! Melina's outline feels just like something we >>>>> can make good use out of. >>>>> >>>>> I have some thoughts about recording the meetings. Generally, this is >>>>> great for all the reasons Shani says and it's in line with the open and >>>>> sharing spirit of our community and movement. One thing however I've >>>>> learnt from facilitating MOOCs is that it can have a censoring effect on >>>>> the participants, in this case that would be on ourselves. If I feel like >>>>> I'm taking too much of a risk when I talk about the downsides or mistakes >>>>> in my projects, then I might go for simply leaving them out of the >>>>> discussions, missing a good learning opportunity for everyone. Perhaps we >>>>> could record parts of the meeting recorded? I don't know, just thought I'd >>>>> share my thoughts on that. >>>>> >>>>> Video! YES! And if it's a matter of budget etc. we should also >>>>> remember Simply Show Foundation (who where at Wikimania and perhaps some >>>>> of >>>>> you attended their workshop?), >>>>> https://www.youtube.com/user/simpleshowfoundation. Ilya who was their >>>>> representative joined us at the Education pre-conference so he already has >>>>> some concepts of what we do and why etc. They are a non-profit part of a >>>>> corporate and they do stuff for other non-profits at low costs, I know >>>>> they're producing the Wikipedia 15 film so you'll see more about them once >>>>> that film is out. >>>>> >>>>> Looking forward to our next meeting! >>>>> Sara >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2015-11-29 17:39 GMT+01:00 Shani <[email protected]>: >>>>> >>>>>> Oh, I love all the ideas, and even more so that there's a discussion >>>>>> about doing something like that. >>>>>> Still curious to learn what other collab members think about it, as >>>>>> well as WMF EDU team. :) >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Shani. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 6:26 PM, Melina Masnatta < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Shani >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I love your ideas, I think both of them are very useful J >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I´m agree with Vojtěch and Netha. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In the case of the showcase a specific project, maybe we can share >>>>>>> before links, or make a very short infographyc (exist many free digital >>>>>>> tools like picktochart <http://piktochart.com/>). I think we can >>>>>>> prepare too a questions or a form to be more specific…for example: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1) Why do you think it´s important to share this case? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2) Can be scalable? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 3) About results and suggestions >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 4) How can we get more information if we are interesting to know >>>>>>> more? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Like the exercise of pitching >>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitch_(filmmaking)>, we can do it in >>>>>>> a very short time ;) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What do you think? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hugs, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Meli >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2015-11-29 9:44 GMT-03:00 Netha Hussain <[email protected]>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Shani, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you for suggesting the creation of a video! I think a video >>>>>>>> is going to be a great resource, especially for outreach. I love the >>>>>>>> idea >>>>>>>> of being able to show a video to inspire students (and faculty) to >>>>>>>> join the >>>>>>>> Wikipedia Education Program. A cost-effective solution for this would >>>>>>>> be to >>>>>>>> have the respective chapters and liaisons film the video locally. The >>>>>>>> interviews could be done during Collab meetings or during Wikimania >>>>>>>> while >>>>>>>> in Italy, when most of us are likely to get together. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In mid- December, we in India will have a regional Wikimedia >>>>>>>> conference for Malayalam (ml) Wikimedians. We are anticipating a >>>>>>>> handful of >>>>>>>> students and teachers as participants. I am thrilled by the idea of >>>>>>>> videographing them,recording their experiences about how they started >>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>> Wikipedia as a resource for education. If we can lay down a plan for >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> video by early December, I will be able to get relevant shots from >>>>>>>> India >>>>>>>> for adding on to the video. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>> Netha >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Shani <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for your input, Vojtech! >>>>>>>>> I agree regarding trickiness of filming various programs, but it >>>>>>>>> can be worked around creatively, by filming locally, interviewing >>>>>>>>> online >>>>>>>>> and editing everything later to one video. The bigger challenge I see >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> deciding what goes into such a video.. But before we get there, let's >>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>> if others agree it's necessary. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As for 10 min vs. 15+5 for questions -- no doubt, 10 is better >>>>>>>>> than nothing. However, the reason for propoding a longer time is to >>>>>>>>> allow >>>>>>>>> people time to get into the details of *how* exactly they run their >>>>>>>>> programs. >>>>>>>>> It seems to me that we talk a lot about best practices and >>>>>>>>> documentation, but bedises metrics (that the FDC also requires), the >>>>>>>>> level >>>>>>>>> of details is such that if you really want to understand how a >>>>>>>>> specific >>>>>>>>> program works, actually learn from their experience and say try to >>>>>>>>> "duplicate" the experience, you won't know what to do because all you >>>>>>>>> know >>>>>>>>> it that "X had a great experience with 5th grade pupils", "Y created a >>>>>>>>> successful university course", "Z have an inspiring senior citizen >>>>>>>>> program". In other words, I find that other than this shallow >>>>>>>>> knowledge >>>>>>>>> *of* programs, the actual knowlege of *how* they really run is very >>>>>>>>> little. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Now, it may as well be something that only bothers me. If so, I'll >>>>>>>>> continue to do what I can on my personal capacity. But if it's not, >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> other share the need for more details, then let's do something about - >>>>>>>>> let's collabotatively think of standars for effectively reporting a >>>>>>>>> project >>>>>>>>> / initiative and change the discourse. These videos can be a step in >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> right direction. :-) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>> Shani. >>>>>>>>> Hello Shani, thanks for your work on this! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As for the in-depth discussions, my view is that 20 minutes is too >>>>>>>>> much to explain and discuss a single program. I'd give it a maximum >>>>>>>>> of 10 >>>>>>>>> minutes but that's just my personal view. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It would be very nice to have and official promotional video >>>>>>>>> featuring the global education activities. At the same, the global >>>>>>>>> nature >>>>>>>>> of our projects means that it will take a lot of time and cost a lot >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> money to capture more than just 1-2 programs. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Vojtěch Dostál >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> předseda rady / chairman of the board >>>>>>>>> Wikimedia Česká republika / Wikimedia Czech Republic >>>>>>>>> http://www.wikimedia.cz >>>>>>>>> Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/Wikimedia.CR> | Twitter >>>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/Wikimedia_CR> | Newsletter >>>>>>>>> <http://eepurl.com/FsHJr> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2015-11-28 16:42 GMT+01:00 Shani <[email protected]>: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hello, Collab enthusiasts! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 1 - I've just sent out a doodle for the coming *2 hangouts for >>>>>>>>>> December & January*. >>>>>>>>>> Since part of Dec includes holidays and some of us will be >>>>>>>>>> vacationing, it would be good to schedule these two dates advance. >>>>>>>>>> Please fill out the doodle by next Saturday (Dec 6th) so we can >>>>>>>>>> schedule a final meeting time as soon as possible. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2 - Following a remark Paola made during our last meeting about a >>>>>>>>>> need for an in-depth discussions about various topics, I'd like to >>>>>>>>>> propose >>>>>>>>>> using our monthly meeting in a new way. I was thinking we can use >>>>>>>>>> the first >>>>>>>>>> 20 minutes of each meeting to showcase a specific project / >>>>>>>>>> initiative from >>>>>>>>>> around the world. Something in the lines of a 15 minute explanation >>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>> the project and 5 minutes for questions. >>>>>>>>>> I believe having more than a minute to share our experiences will >>>>>>>>>> benefit everyone. >>>>>>>>>> I also suggest that at least these parts of our meeting will be >>>>>>>>>> recorded and then uploaded as a YouTube video. Recording doesn't >>>>>>>>>> have to be >>>>>>>>>> via "hangout on air". We can simply use a screen-capture software >>>>>>>>>> for that >>>>>>>>>> part of the session. The idea is that we have a growing database of >>>>>>>>>> wiki-edu case reports, some might probably be best practices, but >>>>>>>>>> even if >>>>>>>>>> they are not, people can learn from anything that happens, from >>>>>>>>>> things that >>>>>>>>>> do not work as well as things that do work. In short, videos are an >>>>>>>>>> important educational tool. There is no reason why we should >>>>>>>>>> document only >>>>>>>>>> in a written form on outreach. We can use other sources and link >>>>>>>>>> them on >>>>>>>>>> outreach. I think this is something practical the collab can do to >>>>>>>>>> promote >>>>>>>>>> awareness. >>>>>>>>>> *What do you say..? Is this something you'd like us to do during >>>>>>>>>> our meetings?* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 3 - And one last suggestion, which is *practically directed at >>>>>>>>>> the WMF team, but again, I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts about* >>>>>>>>>> -- with Education been such a focus globally in many chapters and >>>>>>>>>> the WMF >>>>>>>>>> itself, would it be possible to harness Victor, the WMF's official >>>>>>>>>> story-teller, to create a sort of "formal" video about what the Wiki >>>>>>>>>> Education program is? Similar to what was done for Wikipedia Zero, >>>>>>>>>> or a few >>>>>>>>>> days ago for the Erasmus prize? I think it's something we really >>>>>>>>>> need and >>>>>>>>>> can be used worldwide (with subtitles) to promote what it is that we >>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>> doing here. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for bearing with me with all my thoughts today.. :) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Have a great weekend, everyone! >>>>>>>>>> Shani. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Shani Evenstein (via Doodle) < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Shani Evenstein invites you to participate in the Doodle poll >>>>>>>>>>> "Scheduling the Wiki-EDU Collab Monthly Meetings: Dec 2015 + Jan." >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> <https://doodle.com/?tmail=poll_invitecontact_participant_invitation_with_message&tlink=logo> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi there, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Shani Evenstein ([email protected]) invites you to >>>>>>>>>>> participate in the Doodle poll "Scheduling the Wiki-EDU Collab >>>>>>>>>>> Monthly Meetings: Dec 2015 + Jan." >>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Collab members, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This Doodle is for us to schedule our next *2* Wiki-EDU Collab >>>>>>>>>>> Monthly Meeting, for both December 2015 & January 2016. >>>>>>>>>>> Please mark the dates you can make it so we can set the time in >>>>>>>>>>> advance. >>>>>>>>>>> These meetings are not mandatory, but we would love to meet as >>>>>>>>>>> many of you as possible online. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>>> Shani & the WMF's EDU team. >>>>>>>>>>> Participate now >>>>>>>>>>> <https://doodle.com/poll/2s6r7pw44dqtuddw?tmail=poll_invitecontact_participant_invitation_with_message&tlink=pollbtn> >>>>>>>>>>> What is Doodle? 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