Thanks for doing this research, Ignacio. That all sounds right to me. Clearly cohorted courseware would need a lot of work to satisfy your requirements.
- Andy On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 6:27 AM, Ignacio Lozano <[email protected]> wrote: > I tested cohorts and content groups for different languages and it seems > that i could be a feasible alternative. Some conclusiones > > > - If user change the cohort, the progress is changed also (if you did > an English homework and move to Spanish, your score is 0) > - We can add the choice for a user in the enrollment process (or at > least the first task is shown is choosing your language) and system > should > keep the choice (the cohort) > - Name of section/subsection/unit is always the same (cannot change > based in cohorts > - Discussion are shared between cohorts > - *To sum up:* cohorts may add a partial multi-lingual capability, > however it is similar making different courses with some bit features > (shared discussion and same list of students despite of their language). > The XBlock approach allow you to change language at runtime without > altering the cohorts features (you can use cohorts for other goals) > > > > El viernes, 17 de febrero de 2017, 10:01:56 (UTC+1), Ignacio Lozano > escribió: >> >> Thanks Andy for your reply. >> >> I see what you mean. It is a quick choice using conditional block based >> on the locale, however I don't know how it will affects to the Analytics >> data (content saw for a user, interactions with the video player, etc.) >> >> Cohorts was in my mind for the P2P exercise. Currently, it doesn't make >> sense to assign a submission of one language to a user with a different >> one. Cohorts could deal with this issue because you are doing one exercise >> of your locale and you don't need to do the other exercises because are in >> for different cohorts. I will check that. >> >> On the other hand, OLX shouldn't be a problem because we are talking >> about XBlocks and they can be exported/mported, aren't they? And Transifex >> for rich content (HTML) should extract phrases of the HTML in order to be >> included in the Transifex process, which I think it is too difficult for >> integrating in the platform. >> >> Regards. >> >> El jueves, 16 de febrero de 2017, 15:57:33 (UTC+1), Andy Armstrong >> escribió: >>> >>> Hi Ignacio, >>> >>> Thanks for this excellent post. As you say, Open edX doesn't provide >>> great support in this area as yet, and it is a very important area. We are >>> creating a new team here at edX to work on i18n issues (lead by Bill >>> DeRusha) so now is a great time to agree as a community on how to move >>> forward. >>> >>> I think your suggestion of starting with XBlocks is a good one, and >>> would be a simple place to start. However, as you say, the blocks need to >>> be moved out of the platform which complicates matters. It also seems >>> problematic that every single block needs to become locale aware. I have a >>> couple of ways to approach this that are more general in nature, but which >>> are obviously bigger in scope. >>> >>> My first idea to consider is to provide a new container block that >>> conditionally renders different children based upon the user's locale. We >>> already have a container block that hasn't been made available on >>> edx.org, but which allows child blocks to be shown conditionally based >>> upon certain criteria (mostly successful completion of problems at this >>> point). We could either extend that block, or provide a new i18n-specific >>> block that is better suited to that purpose (IMO the latter is the better >>> option). >>> >>> My second idea is to use cohorted courseware which already provides a >>> great way to handle conditional content. The challenge with this is that >>> you'd have to put users into cohorts based upon their locale, which seems >>> complicated. However, the UI for cohorted content is much cleaner than the >>> conditional block, in that you can click on the "eye" icon on any block and >>> change who it is displayed to. Maybe this could be extended to work both >>> for cohorts and for locales. You could then imagine that the block could be >>> shown with a flag indicating that it is only shown for a particular locale. >>> A variant of this would be to have the units themselves be conditional, so >>> you would add a copy of each unit per supported language. I don't know how >>> well this would work because it would be hard to see that the various >>> copies were correctly synchronized. >>> >>> Thinking this through some more, in both cases it would be very hard to >>> manage a large course. Essentially every block would need to have multiple >>> variants, and at that point maybe you are going through as much work as >>> building the course multiple times. Would there ever be any shared content >>> across these courses, or would every block have to be rebuilt for each >>> language? Maybe the key point is that the core settings of the block is the >>> same, and it is just any text settings that have to change. If there are >>> more of the former than the latter, then your suggestion would scale better. >>> >>> I hope this is helpful. I think this is a very exciting area to be >>> improving as we try to make Open edX available to the whole world. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> - Andy >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Ignacio Lozano <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Motivation >>>> Open edX has a large an heterogenuous student community. It is normal >>>> to search a course in their language, sometimes even users preffer to take >>>> the adventure of doing courses in foreign languages - then it is useful to >>>> see the two versions of the course: in their language and in the foreign >>>> language. >>>> >>>> The student option of swapping the course from one language to another >>>> could be known as "*Multi-lingual courses*" >>>> >>>> Problem >>>> Open edX hasn't a built-in multi-lingual courses capability. Therefore, >>>> you have some workaround alternatives: >>>> >>>> - Design a course per language (if you have 2 languages, you will >>>> design 2 courses) >>>> - Confusing for the student >>>> - Difficult to manage >>>> - ... >>>> - Add HTML blocks with JavaScript code in order to hide one content >>>> based on a language selector) >>>> - Difficult to manage in the CMS for designers >>>> - Only for HTML components >>>> - Static language and designer needs to have HTML + JS skills >>>> - Courses use several components, in a MOOC the basics are: >>>> HTML, Videos and P2P >>>> >>>> >>>> Approaches >>>> Because XBlocks are pieces that can be included in Open edX when you >>>> want. I think it could be interesting to design some multi-lingual XBlock >>>> version based on the native XBlocks. >>>> >>>> HTML and Video are inside the edx-platform and i think we need first to >>>> the XBlocks from the core. Benefits: modular design, easy to extend, >>>> community, etc. >>>> >>>> Some notes in the Slack for the HTMLModule: >>>> CMS: change the "data" to a dictionary, add a select on the setting >>>> form and deal with a dictionary (language => content) instead of straight >>>> content >>>> LMS: Adding the flag feature and getting the content of that >>>> dictionary (dictionary which will be stored in the mongo structure of our >>>> xblock) >>>> >>>> I would like to ask to the community about this interesting topic. I >>>> think Open edX needs Multi-lingual capability. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "General Open edX discussion" group. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/ms >>>> gid/edx-code/7586983b-c5ab-4d71-8ebf-a0050861acc8%40googlegroups.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/edx-code/7586983b-c5ab-4d71-8ebf-a0050861acc8%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> *Andy Armstrong* >>> >>> edX | UI Architect | [email protected] >>> >>> 141 Portland Street, 9th floor >>> >>> Cambridge, MA 02139 >>> http://www.edx.org <http://www.edxonline.org/> >>> >>> [image: >>> http://www.e-learn.nl/media/blogs/e-learn/edX_Logo_Col_RGB_FINAL.jpg?mtime=1336074566] >>> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "General Open edX discussion" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/ > msgid/edx-code/f9e8a188-ddbc-4757-bd21-b908e02795b4%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/edx-code/f9e8a188-ddbc-4757-bd21-b908e02795b4%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- *Andy Armstrong* edX | UI Architect | [email protected] 141 Portland Street, 9th floor Cambridge, MA 02139 http://www.edx.org <http://www.edxonline.org/> [image: http://www.e-learn.nl/media/blogs/e-learn/edX_Logo_Col_RGB_FINAL.jpg?mtime=1336074566] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "General Open edX discussion" group. 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