Hi,
 
Well, you could potentially work around the scale issue by using a
shallow clone (--depth 1).  I'll use git.git as an example since you
have a small history repo with examples below:

  $ time git clone --depth 1 git://github.com/git/git.git
  Cloning into 'git'...
  remote: Counting objects: 26189, done.
  remote: Compressing objects: 100% (13591/13591), done.
  remote: Total 26189 (delta 21763), reused 15849 (delta 12193)
  Receiving objects: 100% (26189/26189), 9.05 MiB | 1.13 MiB/s, done.
  Resolving deltas: 100% (21763/21763), done.

  real    0m16.753s
  user    0m3.931s
  sys     0m0.609s
  $ cd git
  [master]$ git log
  commit 4570aeb0d85f3b5ff274b6d5a651c2ee06d25d76
  Merge: 228c341 28755db
  Author: Junio C Hamano <[email protected]>
  Date:   Tue Jan 3 14:09:28 2012 -0800

      Merge branch 'pw/p4-docs-and-tests'

      * pw/p4-docs-and-tests:
        git-p4: document and test submit options
        git-p4: test and document --use-client-spec
        git-p4: test --keep-path
        git-p4: test --max-changes
        git-p4: document and test --import-local
        git-p4: honor --changesfile option and test
        git-p4: document and test clone --branch
        git-p4: test cloning with two dirs, clarify doc
        git-p4: clone does not use --git-dir
        git-p4: introduce asciidoc documentation
        rename git-p4 tests

  commit 228c3418356d06d0596408bee1c863e53ca27d58
  Author: Junio C Hamano <[email protected]>
  Date:   Tue Jan 3 13:48:00 2012 -0800

      Merge branch 'maint'

      * maint:
        docs: describe behavior of relative submodule URLs
        fix hang in git fetch if pointed at a 0 length bundle
        Documentation: read-tree --prefix works with existing subtrees
        Add MYMETA.json to perl/.gitignore

  commit 28755dbaa5213032b2da202652c214a9f94ff853
  Author: Pete Wyckoff <[email protected]>
  Date:   Sat Dec 24 21:07:40 2011 -0500

      git-p4: document and test submit options

      Clarify there is a -M option, but no -C.  These are both
      configurable through variables.

      Explain that the allowSubmit variable takes a comma-separated
      list of branch names.

      Catch earlier an invalid branch name given as an argument to
      "git p4 clone".

      Test option --origin, variable allowSubmit, and explicit master
      branch name.

      Signed-off-by: Pete Wyckoff <[email protected]>
      Signed-off-by: Junio C Hamano <[email protected]>



And then compare that with the time to check out the full repo:

  [master]$ cd ..
  $ rm -rf git
  $ time git clone git://github.com/git/git.git
  Cloning into 'git'...
  remote: Counting objects: 127389, done.
  remote: Compressing objects: 100% (41918/41918), done.
  remote: Total 127389 (delta 92731), reused 117665 (delta 83665)
  Receiving objects: 100% (127389/127389), 27.95 MiB | 1.35 MiB/s, done.
  Resolving deltas: 100% (92731/92731), done.

  real    0m46.661s
  user    0m14.107s
  sys     0m1.865s


Since you don't care about the history in your use case, you can use a shallow
clone to pull down the least amount of data necessary...



I think the idea of providing a tarball on the server side is the way to go
though...  git really is a distributed code management tool meant for keeping
track of change.  It's not ideally suited for pure distribution.  Use the simple
git-archive (which also will do the gzip compression for you) on the backend,
auto-generated by a git hook whenever code is updated there and just pull that
down to the client.

--Kevin

On 01/04/12 10:23:42, Phillip Moore wrote:
> Well, "git archive" comes very close to what we want, but it only
> works against remote repositories using ssh, so that's not going to
> work for any of the real world sites that are using (or hopefully will
> soon be using) EFS.
> 
> This really seems like a short coming in git, really.  if you can
> anonymously clone an entire repo, it should be easy to get just a
> working directory for the HEAD of master anonymously, too.
> 
> I think we need to come up with a mechanism for auto-generating a
> "latest" tarball for each of these via a commit hook, so I'll go take
> a look at the code Jerry wrote to implement the hooks we have today,
> and see how we extend that to add a new one.   The creation of the
> tarball will end up being a VERY short script, since a one-liner with
> git/gzip can create it.
> 
> On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Phillip Moore <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> > This is a great idea except that I have no clue how git works, obviously....
> >
> > I had confused "git checkout" with "svn export", and now that I look,
> > I can't find a way to accomlish this after all.   What I wanted might
> > not be possible with git -- namely a way to download the repo, and
> > just get a working tree with no repo metadata.
> >
> > What I want is the equivalant result of "svn export", which gives you
> > HEAD of your SVN repo, without all the .svn dirs.
> >
> > Now, obviously, you can do this:
> >
> > git clone $url .
> > rm -r .git
> >
> > But that will NEVER scale, as the size of the git history grows.
> >
> > Maybe the better mechanism is to have a commit hook which does this,
> > and publishes a tarball on ftp.openefs.org with a "latest" symlink.
> > Then the code can use wget and tar to achieve this goal, rather than
> > using git directly.
> >
> > If one of you knows of a means to do this using git, directly, please
> > let me know.  I will continue researching this...
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 8:28 AM, Phillip Moore <[email protected]> 
> > wrote:
> >> I came up with an alternate way to manage deploying these
> >> deploy-config projects, that will make it trivial to keep them
> >> uptodate, AND deal with the fact that we're managing them in multiple
> >> repos.
> >>
> >> First of all, for flexibility, I'm still going to implement the search
> >> mechanism for the efsdeploy directory as I described before.  However,
> >> based on the way I've structured the git repos, you can actually do a
> >> "git checkout" and drop them all into the same root directory?
> >>
> >> I'm going to try this today, since it so damn simple.
> >> efsdeploy_config_update will be the script that does the following:
> >>
> >> efs create autorelease efs deploy-config
> >> cd /efs/dev/efs/deploy-config/next/install/common
> >> git checkout http://git.openefs.org/deploy-config
> >> git checkout http://git.openefs.org/deploy-config-aix
> >> git checkout http://git.openefs.org/deploy-config-gnu
> >> ....
> >> efs dist autorelease efs deploy-config
> >>
> >> Now, you have /efs/dist/efs/deploy-config/current/common with ALL of
> >> the published git configs.
> >>
> >> Note that because ALL of these repos are structures with a
> >> metaproj/project structure, they can ALL co-exist in the same
> >> directory tree (if you use checkout, I think -- I haven't tried this
> >> yet, but since you don't  get the .git directory, I don't see why this
> >> won't work -- I'll figure out how to make it work :-P)
> >>
> >> Even better, we can drop a simple file into the root of each repo,
> >> giving the name of the "child" repos in the obvious hierarchy here.
> >> For example, in the root of deploy-config, the contents of
> >> subrepos.txt might be:
> >>
> >> deploy-config-aix
> >> deploy-config-gnu
> >> deploy-config-rhel
> >> deploy-config-sunos
> >>
> >> The subrepos.txt file in deploy-config-gnu will have to live in the
> >> gnu subdir, to avoid clashes, but then, since the top tells us to
> >> checkout deploy-config-gnu, we then know to look for the next
> >> subrepos.txt file in ./gnu.  This will then contain:
> >>
> >> deploy-config-gnu-gcc
> >> deploy-config-gnu-gcclib
> >>
> >> This will give us the full flexibility of an easy to use, well managed
> >> default (you only get the published, commited master branch), with the
> >> ability to create and manage your own local repos as well.   For
> >> example, there will never be an "fsf" metaproj in the OpenEFS
> >> namespace, and in practice, you've going to be migrating stuff to gnu,
> >> I assume, but if you wanted to maintain your own deploy-config-fsf git
> >> repo, that works fine.  You would simply manage it in:
> >>
> >> /efs/dist/fsf/deploy-config-fsf
> >>
> >> I can even support publishing this using efsdeploy_config_update via
> >> CLI args, if you wanted to use the same, simple mechanism.
> >>
> >> This is starting to come together very nicely, and now all we really
> >> need are....
> >>
> >> Users :-(
> >>
> >> On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Phillip Moore
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>> On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Phillip Moore
> >>> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>> More thoughts, and some significant progress in this area....
> >>>>
> >>>> I spent most of yesterday collecting the efsedploy rules for
> >>>> EVERYTHING I've built into /efs/dist over the last few months (it's a
> >>>> lot), by copying the src directory to:
> >>>>
> >>>>    ~/dev/efs/deploy-config/$metaproj/$project
> >>>
> >>> OK, so once everything in that directory has been sanitized of ALL
> >>> site-specific information, then we have to figure out how to manage
> >>> it.  Here's what I'm currently thinking, although this is going to
> >>> evolve, of course.
> >>>
> >>> First of all, note that efsdeploy is going to start whining at you to
> >>> switch from efs/deploy-config to efs/deploy-site, because I want to
> >>> use the name deploy-config for all of this data.  Deal with it....
> >>> It's *trivial* to switch, and takes about 5-10 minutes, if you type
> >>> slow.
> >>>
> >>> I want to create 3 types of git repo to manage this data:
> >>>
> >>>    deploy-config-$metaproj-$project.git
> >>>    deploy-config-$metaproj.git
> >>>    deploy-config.git
> >>>
> >>> For things like gnu/gcc, we'll obviously create a project-specific git
> >>> repo, and for large metaprojs where we expect a lot of similarity
> >>> among the projects, we can create metaproj-specific ones.  The
> >>> default, global git repo would contain all the small, simple stuff,
> >>> like oss/zlib.    For starters, I expect to create these:
> >>>
> >>>    deploy-config-gnu-gcc.git (which will be used for rhel/gcc as well)
> >>>    deploy-config-gnu-gcclib.git (also for rhel/gcclib)
> >>>    deploy-config-gnu.git
> >>>    deploy-config-perl5-core.git
> >>>    deploy-config-perl5.git
> >>>    deploy-config-apache.git (might get it's own system, too -- we'll 
> >>> see...)
> >>>
> >>> And of course the generic one.   What I like about this is we always
> >>> migrate things from one to the other pretty easily.  if we find that,
> >>> say oss/openssl has grown complex enough, we can yank it out of
> >>> deploy-config, and create deploy-config-oss-openssl.
> >>>
> >>> So how do we deploy this data?  Having it well managed is git is
> >>> great, but how to we access it when building things with efsdeploy,
> >>> and where does it get copied/cached?
> >>>
> >>> Let's start with the generic repo first.  Just as we use
> >>> efs/deploy-site/current to abstract the site-specific config
> >>> information, I think we can do the following:
> >>>
> >>>    deploy-config.git => /efs/dist/efs/deploy-config/current
> >>>
> >>> The metaproj- and project-specific ones would then map to:
> >>>
> >>>    deploy-config-$metaproj.git             =>
> >>> /efs/dist/$metaproj/deploy-config-$metaproj/current
> >>>    deploy-config-$metaproj-project.git =>
> >>> /efs/dist/$metaproj/deploy-config-$metaproj-$project/current
> >>>
> >>> This would allow us to publish, probably date-based, any of these
> >>> repositories with the "latest" set of efsdeploy build rules.
> >>> Note that the default rules go into the efs metaproj, obviously, but
> >>> we can still have a "deploy-config-efs.git" repo if we want, with no
> >>> conflict.
> >>>
> >>> It is very straight forward to code a solution that allows us to
> >>> automate keeping the local copies of these rules uptodate as they
> >>> change.   I will almost certainly have a first pass at this within the
> >>> next month.  However, what is NOT clear is just how to use this
> >>> information in efsdeploy when building release.
> >>>
> >>> Reproducibility concerns me.  The rules are going to evolve, and when
> >>> we make gnu/gcc rule changes to build, say 4.7.0, we don't want to
> >>> break builds of 4.4.6, and yet *testing* that is extremely expensive.
> >>> For that reason, I think the contents of the efsdeploy directory
> >>> should be CACHED in the release, rather than read from these projects
> >>> during the build.   Just as we are going to provide generic dependency
> >>> specs (see email from 30 minutes ago), and expanding those into
> >>> specific releasealiases to be used for the duration of the build, I
> >>> think we should do the same for the project-specific build rules, or
> >>> at least make it optional.
> >>>
> >>> In theory, if we just have efsdeploy search for these rules the same
> >>> way it searches for system-specific (i,e, gnu, perl5, etc) rules, and
> >>> then site-specific rules, then I could actually build EVERYTHING I
> >>> have in /efs/dist with EMPTY source directories!!   If a project is
> >>> supported by one of these repos, then you can build a new release with
> >>> nothing more than:
> >>>
> >>>    efs create project ...
> >>>    efs create release ...
> >>>    cd ..../src
> >>>    efsdeploy down:up
> >>>
> >>> The contents of the src directory would contain NOTHING but the
> >>> changes you had to make (hooks, configs, whatever) to get the release
> >>> to build.   Those changes should then be re-integrated with the git
> >>> repo in a controlled fashion, so that the next person building that
> >>> MPR has no pain.   The specific workflow for how a new change gets
> >>> rolled into the published git repos will need to be worked out, but I
> >>> think that will be straight forward.
> >>>
> >>> Now, obviously, in order to *develop* changes to the rules, we'll need
> >>> a simply means of overriding the path to these published rules.
> >>> Maybe you want to install the latest set of gnu/gcc rules, but not
> >>> make them current until you've actually done a test-build of the
> >>> releases you care about.   Maybe something in efsdeploy.conf (which
> >>> will now be a site/release-specific file, by definition) like this.
> >>> Say we wanted to test out some local changes right from the source
> >>> tree (I've been doing this with symlinks for now):
> >>>
> >>> [rules]
> >>>    $metaproj/$project = /home/efsops/dev/efs/deploy-config-gnu-gcc
> >>>
> >>> or, perhaps, if we use date-based releases, you could install the
> >>> latest update into /efs/dist, and test it out this way:
> >>>
> >>> [rules]
> >>>    $metaproj/$project = /efs/dist/gnu/deploy-config-gnu-gcc/20111230
> >>>
> >>> Alternately, you could just rsync the efsdeploy directory right into a
> >>> release, and work with a copy.
> >>>
> >>> OK, that's enough of Phil's rantings for one day.  Not that anyone's
> >>> paying attention, but you will see commits that implement many of
> >>> these features over the next few weeks.
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