Hi Frank,
I totally agree. It's also my observation that:
- a lot of getting started questions problems are asked again and again
most of these can be answered by *reading* the spec, the vendor manuals and the FAQ
- a lot of vendor specific questions a questioned here instead of the vendor
newsgroups/mailinglists
this should go to the vendors group.
- most of the ejb-spec discussion (e.g. open items, problems with the currenct version)
has in fact disapeard here because of the two above problems.
I think it would be usefull to introduce moderation to this mailing-list so we can
reach again
a good level of discussion. Please don't start the usual pro/cons moderation now. I
think it's
really worth to think about this step.
best regards,
Berni.
Frank Sauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> Gemstone/J is virtually non-existent (I placed the only vote so far)
> I think because most Gemstone users don't frequent this list anymore
> because they are not having any problems...and they don't want to
> read the millions of 'weblogic problem' posts on this list.
>
> I think a better question to ask in a poll is what appserver have you
> used to complete an entire project and successfully deployed it in a
> large scale environment. It seems to me that a lot of voters are just
> getting their toes wet and are 'playing' with some of the free appservers
> or evaluation versions of the commercial ones. Judging by the average
> post on this list that seems to describe most of the readers of this
> mailing list. Of course there are numerous exceptions to this grossly
> over-generalized observation, and I'm not going to name them all, I'm sure
> you all know who you are.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Frank
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: A mailing list for Enterprise JavaBeans development
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of James Cook
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 2:40 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Poll: Which EJB container do you use
> >
> >
> > Sometimes I think that some of you are more uptight than
> > Martha Stewart on
> > dirty sheets.
> >
> > I'll leave it to those great unbiased pillars of opinion, Giga, Zona,
> > Gartner, ZDNet, etc. to post there stats on what app servers
> > are leading by
> > market share. If you believe that these vendor companies
> > don't court these
> > analysts like a lobbyist on a US congressman, then you are blind.
> >
> > This isn't a poll to determine which app server is *better*,
> > William. It is
> > a very informal question that I want to ask all of my EJB
> > friends. What EJB
> > Container are you *using* today? Very simple.
> >
> > Tim, sorry I missed a few obvious choices in the poll.
> > Respondents seem to
> > be quite intelligent and are successfully writing in their
> > appservers as you
> > noticed. As the number of respondents increase, I'm sure the
> > numbers will
> > converge to a more interesting and accurate picture. Of
> > course, there is
> > room for abuse. Of course, I don't care. I find the results
> > so far to be
> > very useful in my own way.
> >
> > I'm getting a pretty interesting picture of which ejb
> > containers people are
> > using today. Some surprises that I see so far are:
> >
> > 1. Weblogic has an enormous market share. Much more than I
> > would've thought.
> > The distance between #1 and #2 is huge.
> >
> > 2. Gemstone/J is almost non-existant. Very surprised.
> >
> > 3. OrionServer has a very strong presence and Pramati is not
> > far behind.
> > More so than the big commercial powerhouses of Inprise and
> > IBM which are
> > virtual tied.
> >
> > Disclaimer: These conclusions could be drastically wrong. I
> > expect that
> > anyone with strong vendor ties or employed by any of these
> > companies that
> > didn't do quite so well will be quick to tell you that. Use
> > your own mind
> > and draw your own conclusions.
> >
> > jim
> >
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