>> 2. When we calculate the cost for comparison, we have to add P3 to K3 to >> bring >> it in line. Bearing in mind, IC7600 only costs US$3,250 in Hong Kong
And you need to include a second Icom receiver (R?) to bring the receive capability up to that of the K3 with KRX3. Icom's "dual watch" is a poorly performing joke compared to even the second complete receiver in the FT-2000 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 11/16/2010 8:59 AM, Johnny Siu wrote: > Hello Nate, > > In relation to your comments about IC7600, I would add the following: > > 1. There is 'manual notch within AGC loop' in IC7600. This function is very > useful when I use it to notch out a strong offending carrier right adjoining > to > my wanted desired weak signal. Since the notch is within AGC loop, the wanted > weak DX signal will pop out right from the noise ground after the > carrier is notched. The desense of AGC by the strong carrier disappears at > the > same time. > > I did an A/B comparison of the above during the recent CQ WW SSB contest. > > 2. When we calculate the cost for comparison, we have to add P3 to K3 to bring > it in line. Bearing in mind, IC7600 only costs US$3,250 in Hong Kong > > I am still running my K3 but just plainly spell out the fact as above. > cheers, > > > Johnny VR2XMC > www.qrz.com/callsign/vr2xmc > > > > ----- 郵件原件 ---- > 寄件人﹕ Nate Bargmann<n...@n0nb.us> > 收件人﹕ elecraft@mailman.qth.net > 傳送日期﹕ 2010/11/16 (二) 8:14:42 PM > 主題: Re: [Elecraft] OT: QST's review of the Yaesu FTDX5000MP > > * On 2010 15 Nov 21:49 -0600, Luis V. Romero wrote: >> Good Marketing will take care of the rest! "We build Legends" is >> "performance by association" from the era when there were resources for >> product line development and R&D. There's still a lot of Goodwill from the >> TS950/TS850 days! Even from TS520 days! > > Bingo! I've long thought that Kenwood had rested on its laurels from > the TS-520/TS-820/TS-830 era. That's not say that some of their later > products weren't good, just that they had lost their edge, especially to > Yaesu in the early '90s. > >> And Larry, you're right, from a technical perspective, the 590 receiver >> schema is really Goofy! > > It strikes me as rather odd as well. I suppose that the Kenwood > engineers and management have their reasons, but wow! When I read > preliminary information on it, I came to the conclusion that it was more > complicated than it needed to be. > >> Elecraft's well targeted market niche is being attacked from above by the >> FTdx5k and from below by the 590 and to a lesser extent, the Eagle. Most of >> the erosion will be in the lower side of the equation. Main K3 competitor >> is really the IC7600, and technically it leaves a lot to be desired and is >> not as customizable, but undercuts K3 in price and it has the Icom "mystique >> by association". Icom has done a masterful job at brand identity. > > And here I thought ICOM stood for "I Can Only Monitor"! ;-) To be > fair, I've only owned two Icom transceivers over the years, an IC-290A > 2m all mode that was the first commercial rig I bought in 1985 and later > a 4AT HT. Both served their purposes well. Early on I would fall into > the Kenwood camp for HF gear and later Yaesu for all my gear. In fact, > I was all Yaesu until I received the K3 last month. I liked the idea of > performance that rivaled the big boxes in a size near that of my > FT-890AT. Watching this list and seeing Elecraft's interaction with its > customers won me over. > >> So the K3 niche is still rather exclusive, but eroding a little bit. > > I'll agree the K3 is niche, but I'm not sure it's saleas are eroding. > Of course I don't have sales figures, but it would appear that at least > 100 more have sold since I got mine on the air about a month ago which > seems healthy for a niche product that is positioned toward the high end > of a niche hobby. Considering as well that the overall economy is not > doing as well as when the K3 was introduced, I'd say it's doing quite > well. > > I'd also submit that as mentioned earlier in this thread that there are > those who would not be comfortable buying a K3 for their main > transceiver as they feel more comfortable going with a product from one > of the brand names. I can understand that as it took me a while to > accept the idea as I spent several months evaluating Elecraft as a > company before I took the plunge. The established players are known > quantities while Elecraft is still building its reputation in the larger > amateur radio community. I'm a bit of a risk taker on things like this > so I suspect I'll receive some questions about the K3 at tonight's club > meeting. > >> Elecraft is a lot like Honda in the mid 70's. Pick the niche, build a solid >> product and back it with uncompromising service, winning one customer at a >> time. > > I take for granted you're referring to Honda cars. In motorcycles, they > were a juggernaut at the time. Which allowed them to bring products > like the CBX to market. By 1980 they had forced Kawasaki into catch-up > mode where Kawi had been regarded as the performance king just a few > years earlier. Then Suzuki came along with its GSX-R line... > > 73, de Nate N0NB>> > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html