Yes, Aimee is off to a running start... Anything she does is that way. She 
has a 4.0 gpa in school and will be a senior next year.
Paul Gates
K1  #0231
KX1 #1186
XG1
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "W3FPR - Don Wilhelm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Paul Gates" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 4:14 PM
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] RE: Sad day


> Paul,
>
> That may have been the young lady I saw explaining to a woman about 20 
> years
> older than herself what a lot of the information covered in the book was
> for - if she was indeed your granddaughter, I would say she is already off
> to a running start technically.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Paul Gates
> > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 2:32 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; elecraft
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RE: Sad day
> >
> >
> > I have a 17 year old granddaughter who just before Dayton indicated she
> > wanted to get her ham ticket. I told her about the no code
> > license. She told
> > me she had no desire to have that. She wanted to learn the code
> > and take the
> > Extra Exam.  I understand you have to take the Technician exam before 
> > you
> > can take the General, is that right? Her mother and I went to
> > Dayton and got
> > the granddaughter the things she needed to start learning the
> > theory. I made
> > her a CD of K7QO's CW CD.
> > Paul Gates
> > K1  #0231
> > KX1 #1186
> > XG1
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "James Kern" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "'Craig Rairdin'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 12:20 PM
> > Subject: RE: [Elecraft] RE: Sad day
> >
> >
> > > Thinking about it,
> > >    I don't think dropping the code will make one bit of
> > difference to CW.
> > > I
> > > agree with Craig in that the guys that just squeak by the CW test most
> > > likely won't be found on the CW bands. The people who want to learn CW
> > > will.
> > > 99% of my HF operating is in CW. I'm not on HF that often, but when I 
> > > do
> > > it's almost always CW. I imagine there will be (at least in the
> > beginning)
> > > a
> > > flood of HF phone activity and then it will taper off back to
> > 'normal' or
> > > a
> > > little higher than normal afterwards.
> > >
> > > James Kern
> > > Network Administrator
> > > Kurt S. Adler, Inc.
> > > 1107 Broadway
> > > New York, NY 10010
> > > 212-924-0900 x222 (work)
> > > 212-807-0575 (fax)
> > > 908-451-6801 (cell)
> > > 800-209-7438 (pager)
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craig Rairdin
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 12:03 PM
> > > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> > > Subject: RE: [Elecraft] RE: Sad day
> > >
> > >
> > > I sympathize with you, and certainly welcome your contributions to the
> > > hobby
> > > and to your local emergency services organizations (as if my "welcome"
> > > were
> > > necessary or even important).
> > >
> > > On the other hand, there are concepts on the written test that
> > seemed like
> > > garbage to me no matter how much I studied. I have a computer science
> > > degree
> > > with lots of advanced math and engineering but some of the formulae 
> > > and
> > > algorithms required for the Extra exam just leave me scratching my 
> > > head.
> > >
> > > So my question is, should a bunch of us be able to get together and 
> > > ask
> > > that
> > > all the technical requirements for ham licenses be dropped just 
> > > because
> > > it's
> > > hard? That's what this "no code" thing sounds like to me. To me
> > dropping
> > > the
> > > code and only having a written test is philosophically no different 
> > > than
> > > dropping the written test and keeping the code.
> > >
> > > In the end, the hobby is changing. Other countries have dropped the 
> > > code
> > > requirement. We should follow suit. It sounds like the tests have been
> > > steadily getting easier over the last 100 years. This is just the next
> > > step.
> > >
> > > As a CW-only, HF-only ham, I think this seems more ominous and
> > > wrong-headed
> > > to me than it does to others. I don't think other points of view are
> > > invalid, though. Just trying to make my opinions known. The guys who
> > > squeak
> > > by on a CW test just for the test's sake are probably never
> > going to show
> > > up
> > > in the CW bands anyway so it may be a net zero loss for the practice 
> > > of
> > > CW.
> > >
> > > I think I'll stop posting on this subject now. :-)
> > >
> > > Craig
> > >
> > >
> > > ----Original Message----
> > > From: DAN ABBOTT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: 07/21/05 10:41 AM
> > > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> > > Subject: [Elecraft] RE: Sad day -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= I 
> > > have
> > > been
> > > reading the comments about the possibility of dropping the
> > requirement for
> > > CW in order to advance your license. I have great respect for those 
> > > who
> > > have
> > > passed the code test and one day I would like to be able to use
> > CW, but it
> > > will take a converter and keyboard to accomplish the task. Let
> > me explain.
> > > I
> > > built my K2/100 while trying to learn the code to achieve my General
> > > license
> > > [ it's been three months now] with absolutely no success, my K2 is now
> > > only
> > > a listening device. I have used Ham University and Your Introduction 
> > > to
> > > Morse Code from ARRL with no success. If your familiar with the
> > courses, I
> > > get to the letter L and when you add all the other letters to
> > the sentence
> > > it sounds like garbage to me.
> > > I guess my question is, does it make you less of an operator
> > not knowing
> > > CW?
> > > I have an EE degree, so there is no problem with the concepts
> > and I am the
> > > Resources Coordinator for ARES/RACES for my county. When the
> > FCC dropped
> > > the
> > > requirement for CW, that opened the door for me to be come a HAM and 
> > > be
> > > able
> > > to do the Emergency work I do now. So why should it stop me
> > from expanding
> > > and being of even more use to the community?
> > >
> > > 73's
> > >
> > > Dan N7DWA  K2/100 # 4775
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