The elevated radials should help reduce near field I2R losses, but the sloping 
terrain will help far field reinforcement and produce 'gain' in some 
directions, although at 80M it should slope for further than a mile away to 
really make a difference.  I do not think elevated radials will change the far 
field reflections from the sloping terrain in any way.

At 80M, even small hardline should have very low loss, so I would go for the 
location that has the better terrain profile.

73 John N5CQ


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From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Craig 
Smith
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 5:50 PM
To: Dauer, Edward <eda...@law.du.edu>
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sloping Terrain vs Feedline Losses

Ted …

I think you are overstating the coax losses.   Even stock RG-11 should be 
perhaps 0.3 dB/100ft on 80 meters - around 1.5 dB for the 500 ft. run.  

Even so, I would probably gravitate toward the closer location.  With the 
elevated radials, the effects of the ground conductivity should be minimal.   
Not sure if ON4UNs data assume elevated radials or many on-ground radials.  It 
could be that his estimate of the sloping ground advantage is for the later.   
With the closer location, you will have perhaps 1 dB stronger signal in all 
directions because of the lower feedline loss.

73    Craig   AC0DS

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