> Wider BW in QRM will too.
Only to the extent that the QRM causes AGC pumping or overdrives the
signal chain (receiver IF, detector, sound card) causing IMD. RTTY
decoding software like Chen's cocoaModem, David's 2-Tone and even
Mori-san's MMTTY have extremely tight MARK/SPACE filtering capable
of rejecting signals even 100 Hz away and nothing (not even tight IF
filters) will reject an overlapping signal.
73,
... Joe, W4TV
On 3/8/2017 7:35 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
Having designed digital decoders BR [Before Retirement] on various
channels including HF, we found exactly what Ed said to be true, both in
corrected and uncorrected channels. The less AGC compression on HF
channels, the better the decode. However, adjusting AGC parameters on
many military HF radios was a lot harder than on the K3. [:-) And, for
what it's worth, any BW less than about 300 Hz, and better 350 Hz, is
going to degrade the decoder's capability at 45.5 baud ITA-2. Wider BW
in QRM will too. It's an engineering trade-off.
73,
Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County
On 3/8/2017 2:39 PM, j...@kk9a.com wrote:
This is a very interesting post Ed! I will definitely will try these AGC
settings in the next RTTY contest.
John KK9A - W4AAA
Ed Muns w0yk said:
Tue Mar 7 21:48:52 EST 2017
Below is a thread from 7 March 2016 about AGC usage with RTTY decoders.
David Wicks, G3YYD, is the author of 2Tone and Kok Chen, W7AY, is the
author
of CocoaModem.
Anecdotally, my experience after 250,000+ RTTY QSOs over the past 15
years
concurs that minimizing AGC action supports best decoder performance.
If my
ears, or widely varying signal levels, can't tolerate AGC Off, then I use
AGC Slow, SLP=0 and THR=14 or higher.
Note also the comments about receiver IF bandwidth of 500 Hz except in
extreme cases. Even in big RTTY pileups such as I encounter sometimes
in DX
locations, Again, I've anecdotally found that 500 Hz decodes better
most of
the time. I seldom go lower. This also implies turning off the K3
Dual-Tone filter.
Both of these points (no, or minimal, AGC and moderate IF BW) are not
intuitive, especially for an experienced CW operator.
Ed W0YK
__________________________________________________________________
G3YYD, 0210:
Actually with RTTY the AGC setting should be slow.
The reason for this is the best decoders decode each tone separately and
make use of the signal amplitude and measured noise over time.
They compare the individual tone amplitudes with their amplitude over
about
one character time before and after the character being decoded. They
then
combine the tones together before the final decision is made based on
their
individual signal to noise ratio. Sudden changes to receiver gain will
provide less than optimum performance as it will alter the amplitude
relationship and noise over much less than 3 character times (about
half a
second).
For those older decoders that use a FM demodulation system fast or
slow AGC
makes no difference so set the AGC time constant as you would for SSB rag
chewing - slow.
As for bandwidth do not set it below 350Hz as Chen W7AY indicated earlier
this can cause distortion across the bandwidth by delaying some parts
of a
RTTY signal more than others. This blurs one bit of the RTTY signal
into the
adjacent bits. This is the signal causing QRM to itself. I personally
tend
to use 500Hz on my K3 and only reduce to 350Hz in extremis. The
filters in a
modern decoder are very narrow. 2Tone for instance uses a filter for each
tone that are just 45.45Hz wide and at 90Hz wide have more attenuation
than
the receiver's dynamic range. Reducing RX bandwidth below 350Hz is for
human
hearing limitations not that of the decoder.
73 David G3YYD
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