It is reported that Glanville Williams, a now SK Professor of Jurisprudence at
University College London, once quipped that, "The difference between a
difference in kind and a difference in degree is almost always a difference in
degree." I can't verify that, but it's a well-cited legend in my field.
The problems of remoting and moving raised for DXCC, whose rule is all-too
simple, were inevitable in an Internet environment and really ought to be
updated. But how?
I began again as Jim did when I moved from Connecticut, at ocean's edge, to
Colorado on mountain's peak, although under the DXCC rules my official standing
-- which isn't much anyway -- combines the two. I didn't move for that
purpose; but that shouldn't matter.
Remoting is more subtle. My fixed station is at my mountain QTH, 100 miles
from Denver. My Denver home is HOA-limited and due to foil-backed insulation
in every wall is effectively a Faraday cage. I am looking into remoting by
Internet over that 100 miles. If I do that, I personally would be comfortable
adding any new ones to the ones I got while sitting on the mountain. But there
is no way I would feel right about adding an ATNO I snagged if I rented a
station on the Atlantic or Pacific coast for the occasion and remoted from
Denver to there. Is that a difference in kind, because I own one and don't own
the other? A difference in degree because one's 100 miles and the other is
over 1,000? How about if I had a summer place on Nantucket and I personally
owned the equipment there, operating it remotely from Colorado? A difference
in kind, or a difference in degree?
Again, and as others have said, I compete for me and against me, and I know
from where I snagged what. But some hams compete against other hams and that
is, generally speaking, to the good as well. So what should the rules be? The
WAS rule, I believe, says within a 50 mile radius. I am one QSL short of 5BWAS
because NE on 10 from my side of the Continental Divide in CO has eluded me for
more than a decade. I could drive to the CO/NE state line with a KX3 in the
car but that would be a rule violation, so I haven't. Should there be a
radius limit for DXCC as well? Should remoting be a separate rule of some sort?
I think Professor Williams, who so far as I know was not a ham, would have
enjoyed this imbroglio.
Ted, KN1CBR
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Message: 22
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 19:17:21 -0700
From: Fred Jensen <k6...@foothill.net>
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Bouvet
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I wonder sometimes if DXCC has become an oxymoron of magnitude similar
to NTS?? When originally conceived, actually contacting 100 "countries"
was a huge endeavor.? Even making transoceanic contacts between the
largest of stations was very difficult.? Today's world is so very very
different.? When So. Sudan showed up, a new-ish ham said to me, "I've
never seen such pileups!"? I told him, "ATNO for everyone and those who
sit at the top of the list with 'all' of them need to keep their seats."
After I worked BS7H, I showed my wife a photo of W6RGG at one of the
positions.? She said, "You count that rock as a country?"? I started to
explain and then passed, the rock is claimed by more than one country of
course and I'd already been through it with her over VP6DI.
As I said when I started this, I just wondered recently while in the shower.
73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County
On 3/23/2019 6:52 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> ?On 3/23/2019 2:34 PM, ab2tc wrote:
>> But if I work Bouvet using this remote, can I really claim
>> DXCC credit for myself for it?
> DXCC rules say that you can count a QSO made from any STATION location
> (that is, where RF is transmitted and received,) anywhere in the lower
> 48 states.
>> It would seem exceptionally unfair. Doesn't
>> ARRL have a rule for as how far you can move from place to place and
>> still
>> claim accumulated DXCC credits?
>
> Yep.
>
>> I find this highly troubling.
>
> Me too. When I moved from Chicago to NorCal 12 years ago I started
> over with DXCC. There's a guy who takes pride in being at/near the top
> of DXCC on 160M, but he started in CO, then moved to NC.? I strongly
> approve of operating remotely from a station that is close to you,
> especially if you built the station!? I view with contempt those who
> would use remote operation of a station much much closer to DX than
> their own, or even rent that station and travel to it, and count QSOs
> made from that station for DXCC.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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