I have an SPE 2K FA that I drive with K3. I get around the noisy relay
problem by using a QSK 2500 which has relays that are very quiet compared
to the relays in the SPE amp.

The QSK 2500 developed a problem and I sent it back for repair. The
repaired unit was promptly repaired and I was NOT billed for it.

I highly recommend the QSK 2500.

I also have a KPA 1500. Since I live in Florida I try to keep the heat
generated by my amps to a minimum. I run the SPE 2K FA during the summer
because it runs more efficiently when I don’t need full legal limit when
I’m rag chewing. In October I switch over to the KPA 1500 and back to the
SPE in March or April.

Being able to run the SPE at a lower voltage when running less power is a
big plus for me.

73..de John/K4WJ

On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 8:15 PM Bob McGraw <rmcg...@benlomand.net> wrote:

> I'm really surprised that hams would expect ALC to be used to control
> power in any manner.  Yes, it can control power to some small limit.
> It is intended to, in general,  prevent amplifier damage in the event of
> a load failure or minor exciter spike or moment of excessive drive.
> But to expect one to dump the transceiver output into the input of an
> amp and expect to have ALC control the power.........that's old ham
> lore.  Not very smart operation either.
>
> In the past I've used the ALC output of my KPA500 back to my K3S with
> ALC active.   Used correctly and monitored on the K3S, you'd never know
> that ALC was in the control path.    On the other hand, for those that
> must make that DX contact, set all knobs to the right and let the ALC
> handle the rest, that really makes a mess on the band.   Sounds like
> crap too.
>
> Although the KPA500 is a bit less power than the Expert 1.3, there is no
> relay clicking when running full QSK and no fan noise.  I'm through with
> big noisy amp relays and with wind tunnel cooling systems.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> On 10/5/2021 5:58 PM, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net wrote:
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon,  4 Oct 2021 16:15:02 -0400
> > From: Bill Frantz<fra...@pwpconsult.com>
> > To: Mike March<mikek...@gmail.com>
> > Cc:elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and Expert 1.3
> > Message-ID:
> >
>  <r480Ps-10146i-02B923BAB0654A1BB83F7E374FAF0B06@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local
> >
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> >
> > I have used an Expert 1.3K amp for several years with my
> > upgraded K3. The short form is it works well. I got it when my
> > wife won a $1000 off certificate. I knew this amp was a popular
> > choice of many DXpeditions, and so worked well with the K3s they
> > used and was reasonably reliable. When I got my amp, I also
> > ordered a custom cable for the K3 which was delivered in the
> > same shipment as the amp.
> >
> > I am careful to not depend on the ALC to control exciter power,
> > but instead set the output power on the K3 to the right level to
> > get the output power I want from the amp. I believe this
> > procedure will result in a cleaner signal.
> >
> > I am thinking about replacing it with an Elecraft amp for two reasons:
> >
> >     Full break in CW produces a lot of relay clicking. The
> > Elecraft amps use
> >     PIN diodes.
> >
> >     The level of integration between the exciter (K3) and the amp
> > is much
> >     better. I can have my K3 operate at 100W when the amp is
> > offline and at
> >     whatever drives the amp to the right power level when the amp
> > is online
> >     with automatic switching.
> >
> > Cheers - Bill, AE6jV
> >
>
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