My experience as well.  No real change in loss but the complex impedance at the TX end does change enough to require a re-tune.  It used to be so much simpler when the tank circuit on the PA served as both a matching network and harmonic filter. 😉

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

Bob McGraw wrote on 1/14/2022 12:25 PM:
Based on my measurements and method I used to measure 100 ft of window line, the loss in the line from dry to wet is frankly nil. However, the wet line does show a velocity factory change, in effect an electrical change in line length, and thus when connected to an antenna, will have a small effect on the impedance at the station end of the line.

I really think and believe many comments and opinions regarding window line, are more "old ham lore" not based on true and complete facts.

73

Bob, K4TAX


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I concur with the conclusion that water has little effect on window line. I base this on my own experience using window line for years. I always feed it into a tuner and, if water has any effect on the line, I have to adjust the settings of the tuner. It is only necessary to adjust the tuner under very heavy rain. Anything resembling a normal amount of water on the line has essentially no effect, even after years of dirt buildup.

Years ago, when I had a swimming pool, I spanned the pool with a length of underwater ladder line and made some simple measurements that indicated only a nominal change. And pool water is purposely chlorinated, which increases the conductivity, although I don't know by how much.

73 de dave
ab9ca




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