> As for gain pumping and inter-signal IMD: the likelihood that 
> you are actually going to encounter a situation that requires a 
> narrow roofing filter for PSK seems quite remote. Extremely 
> strong PSK signals are not that common, PSK signals turn on and 
> off only on time scales of several seconds, and PSK detection is 
> not highly amplitude-sensitive, so both the likelihood and the 
> effects of gain pumping and inter-signal IMD would appear to be 
> much reduced compared to other modes.

That's easy to say in theory.  However, when your neighbor fires 
up with his amplifier in a pile-up and activates the HACG you 
need the 200 Hz filter "bandpass" decoding simply is not going 
to do the job. 

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
 




> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Richard Ferch
> Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 9:19 AM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Best Filter for the K3 when 
> operating PSK31
> 
> 
> G4ILO wrote:
> > Brandon673 wrote:
> >> 
> >> I would like to hear opinions and reasons for the best 
> filter to use 
> >> for operating PSK31 with the K3.
> >> 
> > 
> > You don't need anything more than the SSB filter.
> 
> I agree with Julian. Remember, it is the DSP that is responsible for 
> signal filtering. You do not need narrow roofing filters to enable 
> narrow DSP filtering - you can narrow the DSP filter down to 
> 50 Hz even 
> if the only roofing filter you have is 2.7 kHz wide. The job of the 
> roofing filters is just to keep unwanted strong signals out of the IF 
> bandpass to prevent gain pumping (desense) and IMD (splatter 
> generated 
> in the receiver) caused by those unwanted signals.
> 
> Regarding DSP filter settings: Wide filter settings are 
> useful to scan 
> the band, for S&Ping, and for multiple signal decoding. Once you have 
> picked a signal to work, or if you are calling CQ, narrow DSP filter 
> settings can be helpful. You can put your DSP filter controls in 
> SHIFT-WIDTH mode and use the two controls to focus on the desired 
> frequency, or you can use an Align or Optimize feature in 
> your software 
> to center the desired signal at a chosen frequency so you 
> only need to 
> adjust the WIDTH control.
> 
> As for gain pumping and inter-signal IMD: the likelihood that you are 
> actually going to encounter a situation that requires a 
> narrow roofing 
> filter for PSK seems quite remote. Extremely strong PSK 
> signals are not 
> that common, PSK signals turn on and off only on time scales 
> of several 
> seconds, and PSK detection is not highly amplitude-sensitive, so both 
> the likelihood and the effects of gain pumping and inter-signal IMD 
> would appear to be much reduced compared to other modes.
> 
> Bottom line: I'd suggest you base your decisions re roofing 
> filters on 
> your needs for other modes, not on PSK31.
> 
> 73,
> Rich VE3KI 
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