James Cooper wrote:
So I'm down to looking at IRV vs. Approval (Approval being completely
trivial to explain).

The Center for Voting and Democracy (a group I generally agree with)
has stated its preference for IRV over Approval.  There are two
relevant links:

http://www.fairvote.org/irv/approval.htm

Article in Science magazine:
http://www.fairvote.org/op_eds/science2001.htm


The most compelling argument against IRV in my mind is the empirical evidence from Australia. 3rd party candidates are still not viable, and voters still vote tactically. The requirement to rank all the candidates also results in some odd side effects (like 'how to vote' cards, and the horrific 'donkey vote').

The most compelling argument against Approval voting from the Science
mag article is the idea that it will result in non-substantive
campaigns where candidates try to come across as totally inoffensive
in order to gain approval from as many voters as possible.

I don't see it. 'Inoffensive' meaning 'civil', sure, but with Approval, a candidate has every incentive to offer honest criticism of his opponents. Gaining approval from voters who would initially support another candidate is only half the story; a candidate must also try to minimize the number of approvals received by the other candidates.


It's too bad the CVD didn't see fit to include Brams & Hershbach's response to the CVD letter. Below is a copy I received via e-mail; it may differ slighly from the published response due to editing by the magazine publisher.

Bart Ingles
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RESPONSE TO CVD LETTER

IRV is a special case of a voting system proposed by Thomas Hare of England (and others) 150 years ago. It sounds attractive but, when compared with approval voting (AV), has some decidedly unappealing features, including
° its propensity to lose majority candidates, especially centrists, who may do poorly when challenged from both the left and right. Even when there are only three candidates, it is not uncommon that the centrist comes in third, which means that he or she loses under IRV. By contrast, AV tends to help such candidates, because they draw approval from their opponents' supporters on both the left and right, who want to avoid at all costs helping the candidate on the opposite side of the political spectrum.


* its nonmonotonicity, which means that raising a candidate in one's ranking can cause him or her to lose. This can occur because of the way in which candidates are sequentially dropped and their votes transferred to those who remain in the race. This perverse property of IRV was discovered only about 30 years ago. It is antithetical to the very notion of democracy-that, by expressing a stronger preference for a candidate, one helps that person. By contrast, expressing approval for additional candidates under AV can never hurt them and may help them.

* its complexity, which even mathematicians have not fully understood, as witnessed by misstatements they have made about the Hare system. It is noteworthy that the American Mathematical Society, after long debate, abandoned the Hare system for AV. In fact, none of the seven professional societies that have adopted AV over the last 15 years has reconsidered its decision and chosen a different voting system.

It is true that AV is a binary system, but not with respect to where voters draw the line between acceptable and unacceptable candidates. Thus, if there are five candidates, a voter might reasonably approve of one, two, three, or four out of the five candidates. The voter is sovereign in deciding who is worthy of approval, whereas IRV forces voters to make a strict ranking, which may be asking too much for those who do not know a great deal about the candidates but do know who is basically acceptable and who is not.

It is also true that AV may not always elect the first choice of a majority of voters. But that result, surprisingly, is sometimes desirable. If, for example, 50 voters rank three candidates XYZ (in that order) and 49 voters rank them YZX, AV will elect Y if the 50 XYZ voters approve of both X and Y, and the 49 YZX voters approve of either Y or both Y and Z. Is not Y the better social choice, compared with the IRV winner, X, whom nearly half the voters consider the worst choice?

Our critics make two false claims. A sincere ranking under IRV is not always optimal-a voter can sometimes ensure the election of preferred candidate by not being sincere. The American Political Science Association (APSA) does not use IRV. To the embarrassment of one of us (Brams), a political scientist and a member of the APSA, the APSA does not have competitive elections for any of its offices.

We think their charge that AV would force all candidates toward a lowest-common-denominator position of blandness is erroneous. In a detailed study of the 1980 presidential election, which had a significant third-party candidate (John Anderson), Peter Fishburn and one of us (Brams) showed that Ronald Reagan would have won under AV, based on both election and poll data (1). We strongly doubt that AV would have compromised Reagan's strong convictions or his campaign behavior-or affected the outcome. Indeed, trying to be everything to everybody is likely to make a candidate not even minimally acceptable to many voters and, therefore, not a smart campaign strategy under AV.

Our critics point to the serious interest in IRV. We would point to the failure of the Hare system, after being adopted in several large U.S. cities like New York about 50 years ago, to stand the test of time. The last city still to use the system in the United States is Cambridge, MA.

Serious analysis of AV began only about 20 years ago. Since then AV has gained many adherents both inside and outside the scientific community. Both its compelling theoretical properties and its simplicity commend it for practical use, which cannot be said for IRV in those jurisdictions that do not already have electronic voting equipment that would permit voters to rank candidates.

Steven J. Brams
Dudley Herschbach
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