Someone wrote: The election method which is an elimination method based on the Borda count is usually known as Nanson's method. It has the very nice property that if there is a condorcet winner that the method chooses that candidate. I reply: If we use "Condorcet winner" to mean a candidate who, when compared separately to each of the others, is voted over him by more voters than vice-versa, then Plurality meets that criterion. The Condorcet Criterion can be worded in terms of a sincere Condorcet winner (a candidate who, when compared separately to each one of the other candidates, is preferred to him by more voters than vice-versa): If there's a sincere Condorcet winner, and everyone votes sincerely, then the sincere Condorcet winner must win. That wording has the advantage that Plurality doesn't pass, but some methods do pass. Obviously a Condorcet Criterion wording that doesn't have those properties isn't very useful. So the Condorcet Criterion stipulates sincere voting by everyone. Good luck :-) That's why the Condorcet Criterion doesn't seem to be very useful, even when worded in a usable form. FBC, SARC, WDSC & SDSC offer absolute guarantees to the voter, without any stipulations. SFC & GSFC only stipulate that no false preferences are voted, which is a less demanding stipulation than sincere voting, which, with a rank method, means sincerely ranking all of the candidates, and forbids truncation. By the way, I'd like to add that the Smith Criterion, Condorcet Loser, Majority Loser, & Mutual Majority, all need to be fixed in the way that Condorcet's Criterion needs to be fixed, in order to be meetable, but not met by Plurality. Mike Ossipoff _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.