Actually it might be possible to write a wording of SDSC that refers to actual votes instead of sincere preferences, and is about a specific way of voting rather than speaking of people having a way of voting, a wording that means the same as my SDSC wording. But I doubt that it would be simpler. And I doubt very much that it would be as clear in its purpose. WDSC & SDSC are about a majority being able to keep someone from winning without a specified degree of insincere voting. I don't think you could say it more directly or simply than the current wordings. But I wish Markus would write the new WDSC & SDSC wordings that he suggests. Then Blake won't say that all of the defensive strategy criteria were written by me. Actuall, even now, one of them, GSFC, was written by Steve, who also wrote a wording for SDSC, but that doesn't stop Blake from making that claim. By the way, when I said that each of those 3 kids has a way of taking that marble home, I meant that each one could say "If I grab it now, before anyone else is beginning to, and run, I can take it home." But that analogy isn't good, because each of the kids is a separate entity, while those majorities overlap and share voters with eachother. If any one of those majorities decide to use the SDSC power that it has, there's nothing that anyone else can do to elect the candidate that they're voting to defeat. That's true for _each_ of Bruce's 3 majorities. Mike Ossipoff _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.