On Nov 13, 2006, at 20:13 , Warren Smith wrote: >> Juho Laatu: > I think Range Voting is quite ok for opinion polls and corresponding > fully non-contentious elections (e.g. www.imdb.com), but as soon as > there is an element of competition Approval style voting is the > likely outcome. > > > --the exit poll we made of the 2004 US Presidential election, showed > only about 20% of voters going with approval-style range votes. > > Clay Shentrup just made another exit poll for the 2006 TX governor > election, > http://rangevoting.org/Beaumont.html > and the approval-style votes received were even rarer. > > So Juho Laatu is massively wrong based on this evidence.
My words might be slightly pessimistic but in general I think that trend is true. > His defense will doubtless be, no matter how many thousands of exits > polls and pollees we do, that any exit poll is not the real thing, > i.e. > does not actually affect the election, More or less correct. A high number of polls that would lead to something, e.g. to propaganda wars in the media, but still keep people sincere might provide some evidence. You used the same word "poll" that I used. People obviously 1) didn't have any major reason to try to force the results in any direction and 2) probably were not told and did not understand the strategic possibilities of Range Voting. People may also typically want to answer sincerely in opinion polls. > and therefore, magically, if we suddenly made > it real, everybody's behavior would massively change. No magic changes expected. I'd however expect e.g. some groupings to give a hint to their supporters on how to vote. Proposing a "strong vote" sounds most reasonable. > > Of course, I have no way to refute that until or unless range > voting is > actually adopted. Correct. We may both hide behind theories until the days when Range will be used widely. > However, these exit poll results are extremely clear, large, > and undebatable as such. Correct. But what do they prove. Maybe not that in competitive elections all voters/groups would refrain from strategic voting. Juho Laatu > > Warren D Smith > http://rangevoting.org <-- add your endorsement > > ---- > election-methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for > list info Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ---- election-methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info
