Clay, --- CLAY SHENTRUP <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : > > From: Kevin Venzke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: [Election-Methods] RE : Re: rcv ala tournament > > You should remember from past discussions why the claim that "Condorcet > > voting ... is nowhere near as utilitarian as range voting" was > criticized. > > Ask Warren. > > i may not have been on the list at that time, but i think that is an > absurd notion.
Warren's simulations show that "sincere CondorcetLR" is better than "strategic Approval." So if Range degenerates into the latter while the former wouldn't be destroyed by its strategies, we might be better off with "CondorcetLR" or at least a more FBC-friendly or burial-resistant Condorcet method. "Strategic Approval" is only about as good as "sincere IRV," and most or many of us would not find "sincere IRV" to be promising. Warren asks why we should imagine that Range voters would be more strategic than Condorcet votes. See bottom of this page under "What if IRV & Condorcet voters are honest more often than range voters?": http://rangevoting.org/StratHonMix.html Well, using strategy under Range is advisable (and hardly harmful to oneself) even with poor information about other voters. You at least can't elect any awful candidates accidentally. The burial strategy suggested for Condorcet methods is very dangerous to oneself: If everybody does this and there's no majority favorite, the winner will be one of the "pawns" used in the offensive strategy. So it remains to be seen whether voters under Condorcet are so brash that they would use offensive strategies (when truncation would suffice) without confidence that they wouldn't pay dearly for doing so. Note that rangevoting.org recommends Schulze (WV, according to other pages' conclusions) if you "insist (in [their] view very foolishly) on using rank-order ballots." It doesn't recommend IRV, a method that is actually in use and does not have a record of electing random pawn candidates. So I conclude that Warren does not believe Schulze(WV) is really that awful. Kevin Venzke _____________________________________________________________________________ Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail http://mail.yahoo.fr ---- Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info
