I have not had enough time to study this in depth but would personally support this method only if it were counted using a Condorcet-like method and thus avoids all the flaws such as nonmonotonicity, and unequal treatment of voters' that STV exhibits. I don't know what the best method would be to count these, but this system sounds good if it were monotonic and equitable, therefore STV counting methods would not work, but I don't claim to know the best method to use to ensure approximate proportional representation that is simple enough to count to make it easily audited for accuracy and is fair to all voters and monotonic.
Kathy On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax <a...@lomaxdesign.com> wrote: > At 09:46 AM 3/15/2010, Terry Bouricius wrote: >> >> Why would one want to have voters be restricted by the list order of one's >> favorite candidate, instead of allowing the voters themselves to reorder >> the party list (as happens with OPEN list systems - unlike closed party >> list PR)? Is the idea to allow candidates to list candidates outside their >> own party? Would parties put up with that from candidates they nominate, >> or wouldn't they insist on that level of party loyalty to receive the >> party's nomination? > > Candidate list is a proposal that is related to Asset Voting, only is fixed, > single-ballot. Candidate list allows independent candidates to bypass > political parties. Of course the parties would oppose it! > > Whether a party would actually allow this, though, depends on how they > perceive it as affecting their power. > > Sure, you could set up rules to disallow candidates from nominating > candidates outside the party. But could you come up with a public policy > reason for this? ("For the health of our political system, we must > discourage any difference of opinion within political parties, and require > parties to make single, monolithic decisions." What does that sound like?) > > Candidate list, in the end, would return power to the electorate, which is > no longer bound to support a "party" in order to cast an effective vote. > > As Lewis Carroll noticed, in 1883, voters know best who is their favorite, > that information is relatively clean and solid. Expecting the average voter > to know more than that is expecting what is probably impossible. > > Party list does deal with this, but effectively confines the voter to > supporting a party, rather than individuals, thus deferring power into the > hands of whatever process the parties use. Candidate list is quite direct. > > There is no need to "restrict voters by the list order of one's favorite > candidate." Rather, as I understand Carroll's proposal, I don't have the > actual text of it, the method is STV. The reversion to the choices of the > candidate is only if the voter's personal ballot becomes exhausted. It is to > avoid wasting the vote. > > It is also possible to allow voters to vote for a party list. You'd rather > support your favorite party than your favorite candidate? Fine. That, > really, should be your choice. > > Power to the voters. > > Count all the Votes. > > -- Kathy Dopp http://electionmathematics.org Town of Colonie, NY 12304 "One of the best ways to keep any conversation civil is to support the discussion with true facts." Realities Mar Instant Runoff Voting http://electionmathematics.org/ucvAnalysis/US/RCV-IRV/InstantRunoffVotingFlaws.pdf Voters Have Reason to Worry http://utahcountvotes.org/UT/UtahCountVotes-ThadHall-Response.pdf Checking election outcome accuracy http://electionmathematics.org/em-audits/US/PEAuditSamplingMethods.pdf ---- Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info