Kathy, it seems that, to a degree, your thinking about proportional representation has been colored by the problems of STV as applied to single-winner elections. Let me suggest that you back up a bit and reflect on the purpose of representation in decision-making as distinct from decision-making itself. Single-winner elections represent a decision. Proportional representation does, it might seem, need to make decisions, too, but they are decisions of a different kind.

Let's start with imagining ideal representation. There have been various proposals that would, in some aspect or other, be ideal. It was proposed (for a city at one point about a century ago), that those elected to a city council would have as many votes in council process as they received in the election. Without getting into gory practical details, could you agree that, to the extent that this could be done, it would be a kind of ideal representation?

However, for a peer assembly, there is another variation. The original used STV, but that actually complicates it as far as a qualitative understanding. Imagine that it is vote-for-one. If it is desired to create N seats, perhaps N is considered an ideal size for an assembly, and there are V voters, who vote for the candidate they most trust, we can assume. Any candidate who gets N/V votes (Q, the Hare quota) is elected.

But there is a problem, obviously. There might be no such candidate, if there are enough candidates. And some candidates will get more than Q votes. Is it fair that they have the same voting power in the Assembly as another who only got the minimum?

Lewis Carroll, studying STV in 1884, noticed that most voters really only had enough information to pick their favorite. So he got the idea, what if with any exhausted ballot (all candidates on it have been eliminated -- or, for that matter, elected, but by more than the quota of votes, so there are "excess votes") the candidate could recast the vote at will, "as if it were his own property.") So those holding votes could put together, collectively, assemblages of Q votes, electing seats that didn't make it in the first pass. He considered that this revoting power would be in the hands of the favorite on the ballot, I believe.

Would you agree that, if this were done, it would be fair, that every voter would be fairly represented in the Assembly? Some directly, some indirectly. The electors, I call the candidates holding the votes, vote publicly, so every voter knows where his or her vote went, and exactly whomo it elected.

This is very, very different from a contested election, in which some voters lose. In this, all voters win. (Except for what can be called the "dregs," which reduces to a very small problem with Asset Voting like this, and what you would do is, if you want N seats, you'd allow the election of "as many as N + X seats." Where X is a variable determined from experience to represent the level of non-negotiable differences among the electors. If by some miracle they all agree, you actually get N + X seats, a small problem, maybe even not a problem at all.

But look what happens to the votes: This is an STV election! The only difference is that the vote transfers are in the hands of chosen electors, instead of being determined by a ranked ballot. Each vote only is used once to actually elect. That's the "Single" in "Single Transferable Vote."

For fairness, in single-ballot STV for proportional representation, as a ballot is part of a quota for election, the ballot then counts fractionally for any subsequent uses.

The non-monotonicity of STV arises in the last seats to be elected, it arises from elimination before all the votes have been considered. Basically, to ensure that a vote is only counted once (If we imagine that instead of N votes being divided up and reduced fractionally according to excess votes, the pile of ballots can be physically divided -- and that's actually done in some STV implementations -- though it's not as fair as uncovering the next preference and casting fractional votes for it, so each ballot gets its fair share of representation), it is only allowed that one vote at a time be "active." But that's a practical detail.

You should realize that those who are elected before eliminations, with STV (and this includes IRV!) are obviously appropriate winners. The flaws arise in elimination rounds. Get rid of eliminations, but sequentially pick winners, that problem disappears, and you are left with only the problem that if you use a single ballot, there will likely be seats where nobody gets the quota. So what do you do?

You can't hold a "runoff election," and here is why: Some voters already got their candidate. A runoff under these conditions has no way of knowing who "won" and who didn't. You only want those who didn't "win" to be able to vote. Asset Voting avoids this problem. Every ballot is available to be voted. (I would recommend that every candidate be required to designate a proxy, to vote for the candidate if the candidate becomes unavailable. Consider how much easier this would be than holding a special election! And that choice would be public record, I presume. No surprises.)

Asset will work with STV, and my prediction is that not too many will use additional ranking on the ballot. It probably becomes unnecessary. Asset would also work with IRV! It would make IRV into an excellent voting method. No majority, no election, runoff of some kind. If holding a runoff is a problem, it would be obvious who could be blamed for it! Candidates who were unwilling to compromise. If that's a majority, I'd say this electorate has a problem! Normally it won't be.

STV for proportional representation, even with eliminations, is much better than multiseat methods in use. But I'm hoping that we can look at ways to do it even better, and what Asset would do is to create a penumbra of electors that stand between the voters and those who are actually elected to the Assembly. They generally represent the voters to those whom they elect. This "Electoral College" is *fully representative,* along the lines of that old proposal for a city council where the winners exercise the number of votes they got in the election. They are public voters.

And there goes the need for campaign financing. Spending a lot of money to get elected would become a suspicious action! Rather, increasingly, electors would not be candidates with a chance of winning, except in small jurisdictions. They would be people, your neighbors for the most part, interested in helping see that the people are represented in the Assembly. You would know them personally, almost always. You could talk to them. And, because it's known who they voted for in the actual seat elections, they could talk to the seat holders directly, as people with real political power, the power to elect, known and identified.

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