Forest wrote (13 Nov. 2010):
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I'm not a die hard Condorcet supporter. In fact my truly favorite methods are neither Condorcet efficient nor deterministic; hence the title of this thread is intended to connote a deliberate restriction of attention to lesser evil methods that might be acceptable to Condorcet enthusiasts. So far most Condorcet supporters seem to think that we have to have cycles, and therefore.the important thing is how to deal
with them rather than how to prevent them.


Nor am I a die-hard Condoret supporter, but I'm intolerant of methods that aren't deterministic.

I have sympathy for the philosophical view that the winner must come from the Smith or Schwartz set., but not for the view that there aren't other desirable "representative" criteria regarding which member
of that set we elect.

25: A>B
06: A>C
32: B>C
27: C>A
10: C

TACC's election of A here is unacceptably silly because C is so dominant over A.

I consider not electing C here somewhat embarrassing, but I have defended a couple
of methods that elect B: IRV and  Smith,IRV.

But IRV is completely invulnerable to Burial strategy, and Smith,IRV is a Condorcet method that keeps some of that IRV quality: Mutual Dominant Third candidates are invulnerable to
Burial.

In the example above we can see that C could be a sincere DMT candidate that has been
successfully buried by the 25 A>B voters (sincere may be A or A>C)  in TACC.

I think that if for the sake of defensive strategy and/or higher Social Utility we encourage voters to truncate, then it is better to dump the Condorcet criterion in favour of the Favourite Betrayal criterion
(while "making do" with other representative criteria compliances.)

So I certainly prefer IBIFA (my favourite FBC method) to TACC and Winning Votes and Margins.

Chris Benham
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