On Dec 13, 2010, at 5:18 PM, ⸘Ŭalabio‽ wrote:

Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 15:14:00 -0800 (PST), “Sand W” <b4p...@yahoo .com>:

It would/will be great if any student of statistics will do a statistical regression on these two bay-area elections, to prove that higher voter turnout in CA's IRV-modernized cities made the difference for Kamala Harris and Jerry McNerney.

The first thing to do is determine whether a phenomenon exists. This could be nothing more than post hoc proctor ergo hoc. I see no reason to believe that IRV would increase turnout.

do you mean that the turnout in the IRV election is no greater than turnout in a regular election? i might agree.

but if you mean that the turnout for the IRV election is no greater than the turnout for a traditional delayed runoff, i think there is ample evidence to dispute that.

 This could be a statistical fluke.

¿Is the turnout even unusual for these communities? In previous elections, ¿did these communities have higher turnout than the state average? That is an important question.

¿What is the hypothesis for why IRV could encourage turnout We need a testable hypothesis.

i would put it negatively, this would be a statement of the hypothesis i would propose to investigate:

Election policy that decreases convenience for voters will decrease voter participation. Having to vote once for your preferred candidate, and then being called on to return to the polls at a later date and vote again for your preferred candidate (if he/she makes it to the run-off) is decidedly less convenient and we must expect that significantly fewer voters will show up for the run-off. Or, if your most-preferred candidate did not make it to the run-off, the motivation to return to the polls to vote for a somewhat less preferred candidate (or to vote against a much disliked candidate) is
   reduced and fewer voters show up.

now, those of us who have participated and watched elections that go to a delayed runoff have noticed, quite consistently, that the turnout for the runoff is about half of the turnout for the original election that preceded the runoff. would getting statistical data for that test the hypothesis sufficiently?

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