Dear Juho and Fred, > > Your vote never made a difference. Most people feel uncomfortable > > or perplexed in this knowledge, and I think the feeling indicates > > that something's wrong.
Juho Laatu wrote: > I'm not sure that most people feel uncomfortable with this. Many > have learned to live as part of the surrounding society, and they > don't expect their vote to be the one that should decide between two > alternatives. I certainly never expected my own vote to be decisive in an election. But knowing it has *no* effect on the outcome? This is unexpected and makes me uneasy. (more below) Fred Gohlke wrote: > re: "I say that electors are physically separated from their > ballots ..." > > This is the point I don't understand. What do you mean by > "physically separated from their ballots"? I mean the ballot goes in the ballot box and the elector walks away without it. > When there are candidates for an office and a voter expresses a > preference by voting for one of them, how could the voter not be > physically separated from the ballot - and why is it important? The importance lies in being able to trace the structural fault and other societal failures back to this physical separation. Here's an updated graph: http://zelea.com/project/autonomy/a/fau/fau.xht#REL Rounding procedure | (a) | | Objectively +----> meaningless vote ----+ | | (e) | V (b) | (ab) Disconnect between elect- Structural fault between -or and ballot in flawed ------> person and vote in electoral procedure society | | (f) V V (c) Flawed model of social Power vacuum world in count engine | | V (d) (g) V Collapse of electoral Invalid decision system onto party system ========================= ========================= Formal failure of ------> Actual failures in technical design society (h) [REL] Causal relations. The direct causal relations among flaws, fault and failures (a-g, ab) appear to establish an indirect relation (h) between a formal failure of technical design and actual failures in society. Leaving aside the obvious physical relation (ab), consider how the separation is causing (e) the meaningless vote. ... since the meaninglessness of an individual vote arises from the objective certainty that the vote is *not* a source of decision, the flaw can only (e) be contributing to that meaninglessness; in fact, by separating the elector from the ballot and the voter from the voter, it closes off all possible avenues for the voter *as such* to overcome (a) the rounding procedure at election's end. This seals the vote's formal fate as a numerical nullity. [RP] How could a voter not be separated from the ballot? Consider how an informal process of decision plays out in a small group. The means of assent here is a semi-formal signal - an "aye" or nod of the head - that is equivalent to the ballot, but inseparable from the person. Consider the role played by such signals and the persons who *as signallers* remain in control of them. Imagine one person is nodding in agreement to a proposal, while another is shaking her head. Observe how the other participants respond to these signals, and the level of energy they put into trying to understand each other, and to helping the group as a whole reach a decision. These observations would go some way to answering your question, because the participant in such an informal decision group (or even a formal triad) is effectively an elector in possession and control of his/her ballot. Call him a voter. We could ask, "What effect did this voter *as such* have on the decision that was reached, or anything that followed from it?" In most cases, the answer would be incalculable, tied up in a web of cause and effect that plays out endlessly. We might say it was "boundless", or that it hovered somewhere between zero and infinity. In further reply to Juho, I would offer this indeterminacy as an alternative to the apparent dilemma of no effect vs. decisive effect. [RP] Once separated from the voter, the effect of the individual vote is nullified by the rounding procedure that translates a fine-grained sum into a coarse-grained outcome (who gets into office). In that rounding, the effect of the fine grain is lost (originally discussed with TE, Skype 2011.10.1-3). -- Michael Allan Toronto, +1 416-699-9528 http://zelea.com/ ---- Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info