On 02/23/2012 11:24 PM, Richard Fobes wrote:
Kristofer Munsterhjelm asks: "... why do you propose rules that would
make it harder for third parties to grow?" ...

What I promote is VoteFair ranking. It includes a PR-related portion --
called VoteFair partial-proportional ranking -- that gives
representation to third parties that represent enough voters. This
aspect of VoteFair ranking specifically makes it easier (not harder) for
third parties to grow.

Yes, proportional representation would make it easier for third parties to grow. On the other hand, in an earlier post, you suggested STV (which is a PR method and thus one would expect to have the same purpose as the VoteFair ranking) be used with two seats instead of three or five.

In a five-seat district, assuming Droop proportionality, any group of more than a sixth of the voters can give their candidate a seat. However, in a two-seat district, the group has to grow to exceed a third of the voters to be sure of getting that seat; thus, smaller groups could be splintered (either maliciously by gerrymandering or simply due to bad luck), if there are few seats.

Since the quota constitutes a sort of effective threshold, a two-seat system would make it harder for a party to grow than would a five-seat system, since the party would have to become a lot larger before starting to win seats. Not as hard as in a single district system, of course, but that's not much of a compliment.

You could compensate for the disproportionality on the local level with proportionality on a greater level, like MMP does, but then you couldn't use the "start small and locally" strategy because the compensation mechanism would have to be present from the start.

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