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On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Michael Allan <m...@zelea.com> wrote: > Hi Alex, > > > It can never be about "eliminating the network effect". The network > > effect in itself is one fundamental evolutionary principle. You > > cannot circumvent it, you can only try to work WITH it. > > Public telephone networks are the classic example. Bell's network > dominated for roughly a century in North America because it had more > subscribers and therefore more people to call. Small carriers could > not get subscribers. That's the network effect. > > Today, the subscribers of small carriers in North America can call > exactly the same number of people as Bell subscribers. The network > effect that favoured Bell vs. the smaller carriers has been > eliminated. So it's clearly possible to do that. > > Mike > > > Alexander Praetorius said: > > I have one objection so to say. > > > > It can never be about "eliminating the network effect". > > The network effect in itself is one fundamental evolutionary principle. > > You cannot circumvent it, you can only try to work WITH it. > > > > People have to orient themselves somehow and it doesnt matter in what way > > they do this. > > It might be through following people, following ideas, following > > principles, following beliefs, whatever... > > Once they do that, and they always do in any given point in time there is > > some guiding or governing "things", it can be abused. > > > > So if people follow a person, that person can abuse it. If they follow > > money, whoever controls money could abuse it. If they follow a product > > (e.g. a software), the developers could abuse it... > > > > All people might realize they are being abused, but how should they alter > > their behavior? In lack of consensus or the opportunity to sync their > > behavior, its not an easy task to agree upon THE solution which everyone > > might use as an alternative. > > And beside that, this alternative solution, even if people COULD agree to > > use the alternative (which might take huge efforts) could then again > start > > to abuse people.... > > > > So its a NON TRIVIAL PROBLEM :-) > > > > The only thing people can hope for is to choose an alternative which will > > not abuse them or might make it more difficult to do so. > > > > So i think, what is needed is to create a very good alternative, which > > people start to use, because its better than all the other alternatives, > > thus it creates traction. Now eventually enough people join and the > network > > effect starts to build up, so in order to end the negative effects, > meaning > > the potential for abuse through those people which "created the new > > solution" is, to make sure, that everyone else can join in and can > > collaborate and change whats there. Its the open source principle, but > with > > the twist, that "a fork" does not really fork in a sense that the current > > version and the forked one loose compatibility, but following certain > > principles, the compatibility is not broken. > > > > I think what it needs is open standards, but not only for data to be > > interchanged or for protocols to be open, but also open standards (maybe > > initially created by core developers, but later on agreed upon through > all > > the users) about HOW to set up "vote mirroring", not only for votes but > for > > every imaginable aspect of the system. > > > > Thus, where NO shared underlying standard for stuff exists, there should > be > > at least a good method of how people can MAP their approach to another > > approach, so that their systems can communicate and eventually a standard > > will evolve. > > > > This mindset is the principle for which we would in fact really like to > > have a NETWORK EFFECT :-) ...please everyone join in to the common cause > > ;-) this mindset is something i personally would very much like to have a > > very strong network effect in, so that other mindsets, which are > exclusive, > > cannot "survive" so to speak ;-) > > > > -- > > > > Best Regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen > > *********************************************** > > Alexander Praetorius > > Rappstraße 13 > > D - 60318 Frankfurt am Main > > Germany > > *[skype] *alexander.praetorius > > *[mail] *citi...@serapath.de <alexander.praetor...@serapath.de> > > *[web] *http://wiki.piratenpartei.de/Benutzer:Serapath > > *********************************************** > _______________________________________________ > Votorola mailing list > votor...@zelea.com > http://mail.zelea.com/mailman/listinfo/votorola > -- Best Regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen *********************************************** Alexander Praetorius Rappstraße 13 D - 60318 Frankfurt am Main Germany *[skype] *alexander.praetorius *[mail] *citi...@serapath.de <alexander.praetor...@serapath.de> *[web] *http://wiki.piratenpartei.de/Benutzer:Serapath ***********************************************
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