At 02:02 AM 6/16/2013, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote:

It would work, but the rating variant is better. In the context of ranking, Bucklin fails Condorcet, for instance.

Straight Bucklin does fail Condorcet, of course, as do straight Range and Approval. However, we can tell from the fact that Range fails Condorcet that there is a problem with the Condorcet Criterion, one of the simplest and most intuitively correct of the voting systems criteria.

The problem also applies to the Majority Criterion. Those criteria do not consider preference strength. Practical, small-scale, choice systems do, routinely. They do it through deliberative process and repeated elections, vote-for-one, seeking a majority. And then, a process that can even review a majority choice and reverse it, where preference strength justifies it.

Thus a deterministic single-poll method that optimizes social utility, and that collects information allowing that, *must* violate the criteria.

And that's a problem, because this is a fundamental principle of democracy: no binding choice is made without the consent of a majority of those voting on the issue. Some are aware of the "tyranny of the majority," but solutions to *that* cannot be found in deciding *against* the preference of the majority, *without their consent.* The result is minority rule, not broader consensus.

So there is a solution: repeated election. Over the years of considering this problem, I've concluded that with the use of advanced voting systems, such as Range methods, and good ballot analysis in a first round, with a runoff where a majority decision is not clear, such that a Condorcet winner in a primary will *always* make it into a runoff, in addition to one or more social utility maximizers, it is possible to

1. Find a majority choice, almost always, in two ballots, with the exceptions being harmless.
2. Satisfy the Majority and Condorcet criteria.
3. Optimize social utility.

These have been considered opposing goals. That is because

1. Voting systems study has neglected repeated ballot.
2. Voter turnout has been neglected.
3. The electorate has been assumed, where runoffs have even been considered, to be the same electorate with the same opinions. Neither is real.

It also has some bullet-voting incentive. Say that you support candidate A. You're reasonably sure it will get quite a number of second-place votes. Then even though you might prefer B to A, it's strategically an advantage to rank A first, because then the method will detect a majority for A sooner.

This is somehow assumed to be "bad." That incentive exists if there is significant preference strength. Thus "bullet voting" is a measure of preference strength, i.e., is useful in measuring social utility. There is, however, another cause for bullet voting: voter ignorance (which is natural and normal). A voter simply may not know enough about another candidate to vote for the candidate. And this is probably the major cause of bullet voting, historically, with Bucklin, combined with high preference strength.

The "ignorance problem" is addressed with runoffs when they are needed.

One of the points of the graded/rated variants is to encourage the voters to think in absolute terms ("is this candidate good enough to deserve an A") rather than relative terms ("is this candidate better than that candidate"). If they do, then the method becomes more robust.

If somehow we could extract absolute utilities from the voters, sure. However, real-world, people make choices based on relative utility, not absolute utility. Imagining a voting system as becoming more "robust," if voters behave utterly unrealistically, depends on a rather strange idea of "robust." We *are* machines, but we are programmed to optimize among *choices*. Our very assessment mechanisms are relative to what is "espected as realistic possibilities."

What Kristofer has referred to is called the Later-no-Harm criterion. Any system that efficiently arranges for social-utility maximizing process *must* violate Later-no-Harm. I.e, the expression of a lower preference *must* "harm the chance of the favorite winning." The key word here is "efficient." There can be an LnH-compliant system which exhaustively determines that candidates cannot win, and those are then eliminated, but it's extraordinarily inefficient, requiring many ballots. When it is done in a single ballot, it *must*, then, eliminate, on occasion, the ideal winner.
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