That did not answer my question at all. On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Daniel Foré <dan...@elementaryos.org> wrote:
> And also has also been said before, absolutely nothing whatsoever is > changing about our monetary model. We're still giving away elementary and > we're still providing a way for people to make donations. > > Today you can download Jupiter for free from the homepage. Today, you can > donate to support elementary from the homepage. > > For the next design, you can download Luna for free from the homepage. And > you can also donate to support elementary from the homepage. > > Nothing has changed from a logistic perspective. The only thing that has > changed is the design of the homepage. That is all. > > We're not changing to a pay-only model. And we don't have significant > enough funds to even discuss how to divide them up at all. > > If did have significant funds, this is absolutely something we'd bring up > to the mailing list as we would want as much input as possible on figuring > out how to decide who gets hired first. > > But the design of the homepage is not something everyone needs to *vote* > on before we can implement it. > > > On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Scott Ringwelski <sgrin...@mtu.edu>wrote: > >> Putting the democratic issue aside for a moment, please explain this: >> >> 1. You have said numerous times how you would love to be able to pay your >> developers. >> 2. You just mentioned that it's best to have the people most involved in >> the topic make the call. >> 3. From this, we can clearly see that developers absolutely should be a >> key part of the process of deciding how elementary will handle funding, >> donations, etc. Yet, you somehow think that "this is a web design issue and >> not something that needs to be run through you first for approval"? Now >> that... that is absurd. >> >> Unless you plan to only pay yourself, this is absolutely something that >> needs to be run through everybody. In fact, if there was one decision that >> the whole elementary team should be involved in, it is this one. >> >> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Daniel Foré <dan...@elementaryos.org>wrote: >> >>> Yes I am. I really think direct-democracy is just a bad idea. >>> Historically, we've made good decisions by having the people most involved >>> in the topic make the call. >>> >>> When we're talking about a decision around our developer story, It's >>> best to consult with our developers. >>> >>> When we're talking about a decisions around our design story, it's best >>> to consult with our designers. >>> >>> With our Web story, our web team. >>> >>> Our translations, our (admittedly new) translation team. >>> >>> Requiring that everyone have a say in everything is not only going to >>> lead to un-informed decisions, but it's going to slow our process way down. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Scott Ringwelski <sgrin...@mtu.edu>wrote: >>> >>>> Dan, are you asking why elementary should follow a democratic, >>>> whole-team decision making process rather than a more centralized decision >>>> making process? >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Daniel Foré <dan...@elementaryos.org>wrote: >>>> >>>>> As it turns out, we have families and lives and jobs and >>>>> responsibilities outside of elementary. That means that we're not always >>>>> able to meet every week and discuss every issue. >>>>> >>>>> In my personal opinion, this is a web design issue and not something >>>>> that needs to be run through you first for approval. But I'd be interested >>>>> to find out from other people why they think we need to directly >>>>> democratize our web design or any design for that matter. >>>>> >>>>> If you're upset because you can't get your demands met on a certain >>>>> time schedule I'm afraid there's nothing I can do for you. You may not be >>>>> aware, but this week celebrates our independence in the US. So there's a >>>>> lot of family flooding in and I'm super busy juggling my very extended >>>>> family. I can guarantee I won't be able to make the meeting again this >>>>> Saturday because it's also my mother's birthday. >>>>> >>>>> I wish you luck in your next endeavor and hope you don't harbor any >>>>> ill will towards elementary. You're always welcome back at any time. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 7:05 AM, Сергей Давыдов <shnat...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Okay, it's been a week. In addition, a Council meeting should have >>>>>> taken place three days ago. This seems to be quite enough time to >>>>>> settle on something and write a reply. >>>>>> >>>>>> To speed up the discussion, I stop pretending that everything is all >>>>>> right and cease any work on elementary till I receive an answer to my >>>>>> question. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Best Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Daniel Foré >>>>> >>>>> elementaryos.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community >>>>> Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net >>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community >>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Best Regards, >>> >>> Daniel Foré >>> >>> elementaryos.org >>> >>> >> > > > -- > Best Regards, > > Daniel Foré > > elementaryos.org > >
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