Loo Loo On Feb 5, 2013 1:16 PM, "David Gomes" <da...@elementaryos.org> wrote:
> If by "Elementary", you mean elementary OS, I'd like to say that I've been > doing desktop development there for almost a year now and only rarely did I > have to use CMake to its full extent. All I have to do is fetch a project, > "mkdir build; cd build; cmake ..;make;", and after I've fetched a project, > I really only have to write some code "cd build;make;". I really hope CMake > isn't the reason you aren't helping us, because right now we could really > use some help! > > However, I did learn how to write CMakeLists.txt files on side projects, > which came in handy later on for elementary OS development, but to help us, > there's no need to struggle with CMak. If you need to write anything, I > encourage you to learn because it's really easy - > https://github.com/davidgomes/2dplatformer/blob/master/CMakeLists.txt, > that is the CMakeLists.txt I had to write for a side project, and it was > quite simple (also, I do realize it's pretty badly-written, from what I've > been told on #cmake). > > Those Go build tools you're talking about look cool and easy to use, but > they are go-only. I think you should learn CMake or Autotools because you > can use them with every language/library/framework that needs building > (even Go!). Anyways, "go build" is probably not too hard to write for Vala > projects that don't use any external libraries. > > Oh, and I just remembered, autotools, CMake and the likes help you A LOT > with packaging your applications. They handle lots of stuff that would be a > PITA to do yourself. > > David "Munchor" Gomes > > > On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 9:05 PM, Craig <webe...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Firstly, let me just say that CMake and Make are a pain to learn. I'm a >> professional software developer and I still can't figure them out. In my >> job, we use tools that automate the nightmare that is project management >> (usually IDEs) and it's usually still unpleasant. The tedium of these >> "tools" is the one thing keeping me from using Vala as a primary >> programming language and otherwise contributing to Elementary. >> >> That said, lately I've been getting into Go (golang), and I'm finding it >> to be an AMAZING language; however, it's only 3 years old, thus it doesn't >> have an extensive collection of libraries. The only prominent GTK library >> is very immature and (I believe) it only supports some features from >> GTK+2.0 (none from 3.0). Among the more amazing features of Go are its >> build environment tools. >> >> `go build [app-name]` is all that is needed to build an entire >> application--no messing with CMakeLists or makefiles (no project metadata >> of any kind, in fact). Furthermore, `go install [app-name]` will build and >> install the application to a location in your PATH, making it instantly >> executable. Go also comes with an awesome test suite out of the box, and >> `go get >> [http://path.to.online/repository]`<http://path.to.online/repository%5D>will >> automatically fetch a package from a public code repository (it works >> with git and several other repo types) and store the files alongside your >> own source code. >> >> I think it would be a huge help to elementary developers if we at least >> created a Vala version of (at least) the `go build` tools to facilitate >> project management. This would dramatically lower the entry barrier to >> Elementary development, and it would encourage an organized structure for >> application source code across applications. >> >> At this point, I'm not proposing spending time and resources working on >> this, but I'd like to get some discussion going about the merits of this >> idea, particularly from people with Go and Vala experience. >> >> Sound off! >> >> -Craig Weber >> >> >> -- >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community >> Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> >> > > -- > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community > Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > >
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