After I've started learning Elm, I agree that the documentation for "basic
functional programming" could be improved. "Learn You a Haskell" is a great
resource and I'm surprised that "Learn You an Elm" has not been mentioned
here yet - http://learnyouanelm.github.io/. The first chapters from "Learn
You a Haskell" has already been adapted. I hope the community can
contribute more to this project
- https://github.com/learnyouanelm/learnyouanelm.github.io
fredag 13. november 2015 20.26.36 UTC+1 skrev Joey Eremondi følgende:
>
> It's worth noting that LYAH is licensed under Creative Commons, so it's
> potentially possible that we could make a copy of it and adapt it for Elm,
> while keeping most of the great material (and humour). As long as it was
> not for profit, and we gave credit to the original, it is allowed.
>
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Jason Zoladz <jason...@gmail.com
> <javascript:>> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Learn You a Haskell" isn't "Haskell documentation." (That's a straw
>> man, and you know it.) It's a book about how to *think* in a certain
>> paradigm. And a lot of that paradigm translates to Elm.
>>
>> When someone finds a task or concept hard, it's usually because they
>> don't fully understand the fundamentals. Someone struggling with Elm
>> likely isn't having difficulty with the syntax. (Evan has done a great job
>> of setting it out succinctly.) If you're struggling with Elm, and/or if
>> Elm is your first language, you probably need to work through the
>> "Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs." It *is* a
>> *beginner's* book. And there are tons of online courses that teach
>> programming through it.
>>
>> So, yes, I think we should sometimes point people to sources outside of
>> Elm if only because translating the greatest-hits-of-computation-books into
>> Elm is a bit wasteful.
>>
>> As for your assertion that directing folks to Haskell guarantees failure,
>> I think you underestimate your students. Students -- heck, people
>> generally for that matter -- don't need to coddled. They need to
>> encouraged to confront the fact that the real learning happens through
>> struggling with new ideas. Programming is hard. You're not going to learn
>> how to do it simply by reading "The Elm Architecture" and a few blog posts.
>>
>> FYI... ("Concepts, Techniques and Models of Computer Programming" isn't
>> about Haskell at all. In fact, the author isn't a big fan of Haskell.
>> It's the perhaps the successor to the SICP.)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, November 13, 2015 at 11:09:02 AM UTC-5, Christopher Anand
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> It is great that you have learned about FP in your first year of
>>> programming, but that probably puts you in a pretty small minority.
>>>
>>> I wanted to know what issues beginners have so I could address them for
>>> people learning ELM as their first programming language. In many ways it
>>> is a very good first language, but pointing people into Haskell
>>> documentation is pretty much guaranteed to fail.
>>>
>>> Christopher
>>>
>>> On Nov 12, 2015, at 8:03 AM, Jason Zoladz <jason...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> It doesn't make sense to pretend that Elm wasn't influenced by, and
>>> doesn't inhabit, a broader functional landscape. Pardon the pun, but Elm
>>> has roots. If someone has a problem with a concept, it seems completely
>>> reasonable to say: You can read about that concept here, albeit in another
>>> dialect of FP.
>>>
>>> (For example, Elm has a parsing library -- elm-combine. You wouldn't
>>> refer someone to Parsec tutorials to learn how it works?)
>>>
>>> There are so many fantastic resources in the broader world of FP (e.g.,
>>> pretty much anything written by Richard Bird) that can help someone write
>>> programs in Elm. Why wouldn't we take advantage of those resources?
>>>
>>> One of the things that bothers me about the Elm community is (my
>>> perception) that the community: (1) wants to pretend that programming is
>>> effortless; and (2) believes that folks coming from Javascript are
>>> intimidated by the depth of new ideas that Elm exposes.
>>>
>>> Look, I don't have any formal (i.e., university) CS education. I
>>> started programming in my spare time little more than a year ago. The
>>> (unfortunate?) reality is: there are some things in this world that you
>>> must tackle by sitting down with a thick book.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 10, 2015 at 8:54:49 AM UTC-5, Christopher Anand
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Simon,
>>>>
>>>> Are those the only/main things Learn You a Haskell is good for? These
>>>> are the things we should be putting into beginner ELM books and tutorials.
>>>>
>>>> Not that Learn You a Haskell is not a great book, but there are probably a
>>>> lot of people who are intimidated by the suggestion that you need to learn
>>>> Haskell first.
>>>>
>>>> Christopher
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 10, 2015, at 2:34 AM, Simon <hotb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> When I first met Elm (2 years ago) I was completely thrown by the type
>>>> signatures and currying - if you've never seen it before then Learn You
>>>> ...
>>>> may well help you prepare better
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, 8 November 2015 04:15:33 UTC+1, Max Goldstein wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure I agree with Jason about learning some Haskell if you're
>>>>> interested only in Elm, but if you've gone through all the other
>>>>> materials
>>>>> we've listed, I suppose it's better than being stuck.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can also study The Elm Architecture
>>>>> <https://github.com/evancz/elm-architecture-tutorial/>and Todo MVC
>>>>> <https://github.com/evancz/elm-todomvc> and build your own simple
>>>>> examples.
>>>>>
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