Yes, thanks, I'm seeing the picture now. I guess that some of those things would require extensions to the LSP standard/protocol, as well as just implementation, wouldn't they?
On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 17:31, TEC <tecos...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Neil, > > Ah, I see what you’re getting at now. I’ll try to give you an idea of what > I think could apply. > > - Provide nice text manipulation actions, e.g. structural editing > - Completion, with company > - Org Export > - Run Babel blocks > - Org syntax highlighting (potentially) > - Folding (maybe) > - All the nice stuff like table alignment, checkbox state propagation… > > Does that help? > > All the best, > *Timothy* > > * From*: Neil Jerram <%22neil+jerram%22+%3cneiljer...@gmail.com%3E> > * Subject*: Re: Emacs as an Org LSP server > * To*: TEC <%22tec%22+%3ctecos...@gmail.com%3E> > * Cc*: "org-mode-email" <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org> > * Date*: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 01:22:55 +0800 > I'm afraid things still aren't clear for me. Is there a reason it's so > hard to give a concrete example? > > If I try to analogise from how LSP works for golang, I believe the LSP > server does things like > - complete symbol beginning with "Xyz" > - tell me where so-and-so function is defined (e.g. so that the client > editor can jump to it). > I'm not sure if operations like that make sense for Org. > > Another possibility might be interacting, from a 3rd party editor, with a > body of Org content that has been primarily written and managed in Emacs. > If so, what would those interactions be? Marking a task as done? > Something more complex than that? > > Or is it like: 3rd party editor opens an Org file and the user types some > <random key sequence>. Editor asks the LSP server (Emacs) "what does > <random key sequence> mean?", and the server replies "it means the Org > entry should now look like this: ..." > > > On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 15:58, TEC <tecos...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Neil, >> >> Good to hear that you did take a look at the readme 🙂. >> >> You can think of the LSP as a specification for cross-editor/IDE >> extensions. The intent of this is to make some of Org’s functionality >> accessible to the ~95% of people who don’t use Emacs, by hooking into Emacs >> itself. >> >> Does that clear things up for you? You can also see >> https://langserver.org/. >> >> All the best, >> *Timothy* >> >> * From*: Neil Jerram <%22neil+jerram%22+%3cneiljer...@gmail.com%3E> >> * Subject*: Re: Emacs as an Org LSP server >> * To*: TEC <%22tec%22+%3ctecos...@gmail.com%3E> >> * Cc*: "org-mode-email" <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org> >> * Date*: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 23:46:12 +0800 >> Thanks Timothy. I did read the README, but I'm afraid I still can't >> quite picture a specific use. >> >> >> On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 15:28, TEC <tecos...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi Neil, >>> >>> I’m going to quote you the readme from the linked github repo: >>> >>> Allow the unwashed masses to use Org, without using Emacs, using Emacs. >>> >>> Here’s the image from the readme [image: model.png] >>> >>> And here’s the first line from the first result of a google search for >>> &ldquoLSP”: >>> >>> The Language Server Protocol (LSP) defines the protocol used between an >>> editor or IDE and a language server that provides language features >>> like auto complete, go to definition, find all references etc. >>> >>> That should give you an idea of the intent here. >>> >>> All the best, >>> *Timothy* >>> >>> * From*: Neil Jerram <%22neil+jerram%22+%3cneiljer...@gmail.com%3E> >>> * Subject*: Re: Emacs as an Org LSP server >>> * To*: TEC <%22tec%22+%3ctecos...@gmail.com%3E> >>> * Cc*: "org-mode-email" <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org> >>> * Date*: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 19:41:05 +0800 >>> Could you describe a use case? Apologies if I missed this in earlier >>> threads. >>> >>> >>> On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 at 10:44, TEC <tecos...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> A little progress update. >>>> >>>> https://github.com/tecosaur/org-lsp now exists. >>>> >>>> I have no idea what I'm doing, so if anyone has feedback on the current >>>> idea, that would be much appreciated. >>>> >>>> TEC <tecos...@gmail.com> writes: >>>> >>>> > Hi Everyone, >>>> > >>>> > From the Org standardisation effort the idea of using Emacs as the >>>> basis >>>> > of an LSP server for Org has been mentioned a few times. >>>> > >>>> > I thought this deserved it's own thread so here it is :) >>>> > >>>> > I'm quite keen to investigate the viability of this idea. >>>> > Some key questions that I think need addressing are: >>>> > 1. How can we 'package' Emacs into an LSP client? >>>> > 2. Assuming we use some language as the basis for the host how do we >>>> > want to pick it? LSP library? Lisp? Are there any outstanding >>>> > contenders. >>>> > 3. How much effort is involved? Is it worth it to try to make Org >>>> more >>>> > approachable* (without Emacs)? >>>> > >>>> > Lastly, but perhaps even more crucially --- who would be interested in >>>> > working on this? I certainly am, but this feels like something that >>>> > would be more viable with a small working group. >>>> > >>>> > Who's interested? >>>> > >>>> > Timothy. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > * I can't help but think that this hypothetical LSP server may >>>> serve as >>>> > a 'gateway drug' to Org in Emacs 😉 >>>> >>>> >>>>
