John Hendy <jw.hendy <at> gmail.com> writes: > > > Wow! This is pretty neat. You've done some really cool things. >
John -- Thanks for the kind words. I've responded to some of your comments below to clarify just what my project is and what it isn't. > > I started learning emacs only for org-mode and have never really used vim >except for editing a few config files when nano is not available. Since I >started with emacs and it has what I want (org-mode), I can't think of a >reason to learn yet another program with it's own set of shortcut > oddities :) I can relate to the shortcuts... Sometimes two in a row > involving ctrl makes me scratch my head. Though with emacs I'm > pretty sure you can literally change anything you want. > > Also, since you're using the export features of org-mode, > and as you said you can use vimperator or whatever to > emulate vim keystrokes in emacs... is there > anything really that you can do with the vim version that emacs > can't do? I completely understand #5 below -- do it just to > do it and it's fun. Other than that, though, aside from some > navigation differences and the (#_of_lines) at the > end of folded headers I was unsure what was to be different. > Now you work in vim and just call org-mode to export? > You've got it right. For someone who is comfortable with Emacs and Org-mode there's no reason at all for them to be interested in what I'm doing. The appeal of my project is pretty much limited to those people who have a strong preference for using Vim rather than Emacs. Even the people who strongly prefer Vim, if they are heavy Org-mode users and depend on a wide range of it features and multitude of options, might have little use for my project in its current state. > 2. Some people are of the opinion that, while Emacs is admittedly > a great > operating system/development environment, it lacks a decent text > editor. ;) > > I've heard this but never understood what was being said. > That comment is mostly an often repeated joke. I think it gets to a major difference between Emacs and Vim, which is that Emacs is used by many to become the central application they use, with all their sub-applications implemented in Emacs-lisp. Vim isn't really used that way, partly because it's not as suitable for it, and partly because its main author has taken a stance against that sort of use, in favor of a more Unixey-approach of merely interacting with outside applications. > > - Navigation. I definitely feel the emacs shortcut pain for certain > things. I don't mind exporting. I'm so used to it that > do C-x C-s C-c C-e p without blinking to publish to PDF. > But, I highly dislike things like C-c C-[n/p] or C-c C-[f/b] for > navigating headlines. Your arrow navigation was appealing, > perhaps only because I'm not as used to these shortcuts as > others. I find myself using two finger scroll, pg[up/dn] and > crtl+[right/left arrow] to move around much > more than the emacs built-in shortcuts. As I said earlier, > though, surely they can be changed... I just haven't. Yes, I agree that having navigation keys as multi-keypress chord combination is sub-optimal. I'm sure remappings could be done in Org, hard thing might be deciding on what key combinations. The section-moving commands in Org-mode are already mapped to keys similar to the ones I use, don't require multi-keypress chords even now. > > Great work and very cool project. Thanks for sharing and I > really enjoyed the video! > Thanks again, Herb _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode