Hi Carsten, I'm sorry to belabor this, but I'm a little confused about what you're saying.
At Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:40:10 -0600, Carsten Dominik wrote: > > > On Nov 12, 2010, at 9:28 PM, David Abrahams wrote: > > > > > Hi Carsten, > > > > Is it merely the autoload of org-capture-templates, or is this a > > general rule for everything in org-install? I think I'm perfectly > > happy to work with the dependency in place as long as it's documented. > > I think that this should work, but it clearly does not. So the only > clean thing is it to remove it. The proper sequence should be > to first load org-install and the do any other configuration. Are you saying "it clearly does not" based solely on the information I gave you, or is there something else? I ask because what you say is the "proper sequence" is supported by my experience. When I did things in that order, everything worked. When I didn't, I ran into this problem. It still seems to me that fundamental problem was simply that the ordering requirement wasn't documented... unless there's some information I'm missing? Thanks > > - Carsten > > > For most people it wouldn't be an issue since custom-* puts its > > custom-set-variables call at the end of the file. I think you need to > > be using something like initsplit to see the problem. > > > > At Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:29:15 -0600, > > Carsten Dominik wrote: > >> > >> Hi David, > >> > >> thanks for investigating this. > >> > >> It seems to me that the autoload has caused more problems than it > >> solved - so I have removed the autoload again. > >> > >> - Carsten > >> > >> On Nov 12, 2010, at 12:45 PM, David Abrahams wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> Remember to cover the basics, that is, what you expected to happen > >>> and > >>> what in fact did happen. You don't know how to make a good report? > >>> See > >>> > >>> http://orgmode.org/manual/Feedback.html#Feedback > >>> > >>> Your bug report will be posted to the Org-mode mailing list. > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> > >>> There's an undocumented dependency between org-install and > >>> customizations. In particular, if custom-set-variables is called to > >>> set > >>> org-capture-templates, and then org-install is loaded, > >>> org-capture-templates will be reset to nil. I tested this with > >>> > >>> emacs -Q > >>> > >>> Emacs : GNU Emacs 23.2.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin, NS apple- > >>> appkit-1038.29) > >>> of 2010-05-08 on black.local > >>> Package: Org-mode version 7.02trans > >>> > >>> current state: > >>> ============== > >>> (setq > >>> org-agenda-deadline-leaders '("D: " "D%d: ") > >>> org-clock-in-switch-to-state "STARTED" > >>> org-agenda-skip-scheduled-if-deadline-is-shown t > >>> org-export-latex-after-initial-vars-hook '(org-beamer-after-initial- > >>> vars) > >>> org-todo-keyword-faces '(("TODO" :foreground "medium blue" :weight > >>> bold) > >>> ("APPT" :foreground "medium blue" :weight > >>> bold) > >>> ("NOTE" :foreground "brown" :weight bold) > >>> ("STARTED" :foreground "dark orange" > >>> :weight bold) > >>> ("WAITING" :foreground "red" :weight bold) > >>> ("DELEGATED" :foreground "dark violet" > >>> :weight bold) > >>> ("DEFERRED" :foreground "dark blue" :weight > >>> bold) > >>> ("SOMEDAY" :foreground "dark blue" :weight > >>> bold) > >>> ("PROJECT" :height 1.5 :weight bold > >>> :foreground "black")) > >>> org-speed-command-hook '(org-speed-command-default-hook org-babel- > >>> speed-command-hook) > >>> org-agenda-custom-commands '(("E" "Errands (next 3 days)" tags > >>> "Errand&TODO<>\"DONE\"&TODO<> > >>> \"CANCELLED\"&STYLE<>\"habit\"&SCHEDULED<\"<+3d>\"" > >>> ((org-agenda-overriding-header > >>> "Errands (next 3 days)") > >>> > >>> ) > >>> ) > >>> ("A" "Priority #A tasks" agenda "" > >>> ((org-agenda-ndays 1) > >>> (org-agenda-overriding-header > >>> "Today's priority #A tasks: ") > >>> (org-agenda-skip-function > >>> (quote (org-agenda-skip-entry-if > >>> (quote notregexp) "\\=.*\\[#A\\]")) > >>> ) > >>> ) > >>> ) > >>> ("B" "Priority #A and #B tasks" agenda > >>> "" > >>> ((org-agenda-ndays 1) > >>> (org-agenda-overriding-header > >>> "Today's priority #A and #B tasks: ") > >>> (org-agenda-skip-function > >>> (quote (org-agenda-skip-entry-if > >>> (quote regexp) "\\=.*\\[#C\\]"))) > >>> ) > >>> ) > >>> ("w" "Waiting/delegated tasks" tags > >>> "TODO=\"WAITING\"|TODO=\"DELEGATED\"" > >>> ((org-agenda-overriding-header > >>> "Waiting/delegated tasks:") > >>> (org-agenda-sorting-strategy > >>> (quote (todo-state-up priority-down > >>> category-up))) > >>> ) > >>> ) > >>> ("u" "Unscheduled tasks" tags > >>> "TODO<>\"\"&TODO<>\"DONE\"&TODO<> > >>> \"CANCELLED\"&TODO<>\"NOTE\"&CATEGORY<>{CEG\\|ABC\\|Bizcard\\| > >>> Adagio\ > >>> \|EVAprint\\|\\<IT\\>}" > >>> ((org-agenda-overriding-header > >>> "Unscheduled tasks: ") > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> (org > >>> -agenda-skip-function > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> (quote > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> (org > >>> -agenda-skip-entry-if > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> (quote > >>> scheduled) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> (quote > >>> deadline) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> (quote > >>> timestamp) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> (quote > >>> regexp) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> "\\* > >>> \\(DEFERRED \\|SOMEDAY\\)") > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> (org > >>> -agenda-files > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> (quote > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ("~ > >>> /Dropbox/todo.txt") > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> (org > >>> -agenda-sorting-strategy > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> (quote > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> (todo > >>> -state-up priority-down category-up) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ) > >>> ) > >>> ("U" "Deferred tasks" tags > >>> "TODO=\"DEFERRED\"&CATEGORY<>{CEG\\|ABC > >>> \\|Bizcard\\|Adagio\\|EVAprint\\|\\<IT\\>}" > >>> ((org-agenda-overriding-header > >>> "Deferred tasks:") > >>> > >>> ) > >>> ) > >>> ("S" "Someday tasks" tags > >>> "TODO=\"SOMEDAY\"&CATEGORY<>{CEG\\|ABC\ > >>> \|Bizcard\\|Adagio\\|EVAprint\\|\\<IT\\>}" > >>> ((org-agenda-overriding-header > >>> "Someday tasks:") > >>> > >>> ) > >>> ) > >>> ("G" "Ledger tasks (all)" tags-todo > >>> "TODO<>{SOMEDAY}" > >>> ((org-agenda-files (quote ("~/src/ > >>> ledger/plan/TODO"))) > >>> (org-agenda-overriding-header "Ledger > >>> tasks:") > >>> (org-agenda-sorting-strategy > >>> (quote (todo-state-up priority-down > >>> category-up))) > >>> ) > >>> ) > >>> ("l" "Ledger tasks" tags-todo > >>> "TODO<>{SOMEDAY\\|DEFERRED}" > >>> ((org-agenda-files (quote ("~/src/ > >>> ledger/plan/TODO"))) > >>> (org-agenda-overriding-header "Ledger > >>> tasks:") > >>> (org-agenda-sorting-strategy > >>> (quote (todo-state-up priority-down > >>> category-up))) > >>> (org-agenda-skip-function > >>> (quote (org-agenda-skip-entry-if > >>> (quote regexp) "\\=.*\\[#C\\]"))) > >>> ) > >>> ) > >>> ("L" "Ledger tasks not in Bugzilla" > >>> alltodo "" > >>> ((org-agenda-files (quote ("~/src/ > >>> ledger/plan/TODO"))) > >>> (org-agenda-overriding-header "Ledger > >>> tasks:") > >>> (org-agenda-sorting-strategy > >>> (quote (todo-state-up priority-down > >>> category-up))) > >>> (org-agenda-skip-function > >>> (quote (org-agenda-skip-entry-if > >>> (quote regexp) "\\(bug:\\)"))) > >>> ) > >>> ) > >>> ("r" "Uncategorized items" tags > >>> "CATEGORY=\"Inbox\"&LEVEL=2" > >>> ((org-agenda-overriding-header > >>> "Uncategorized items"))) > >>> ("W" "Unscheduled work tasks" tags > >>> "CATEGORY={CEG\\|ABC\\|Bizcard\\|Adagio > >>> \\|IT\\|EVAprint}&CATEGORY<>\"Website\"&TODO<>\"DONE\"&TODO<> > >>> \"CANCELLED\"&TODO<>\"NOTE\"&TODO<>\"\"&LEVEL>1" > >>> ((org-agenda-overriding-header > >>> "Unscheduled work tasks") > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> (org > >>> -agenda-skip-function > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> (quote > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> (org > >>> -agenda-skip-entry-if > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> (quote > >>> scheduled) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> (quote > >>> deadline) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> (org > >>> -agenda-sorting-strategy > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> (quote > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> (todo > >>> -state-up priority-down) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ) > >>> ) > >>> ("z" "CEG tasks not in Bugzilla" tags > >>> "CATEGORY={CEG\\|ABC\\|Bizcard\\|Adagio > >>> \\|IT\\|EVAprint}&CATEGORY<>{Website\\|Admin}&TODO<>\"DONE\"&TODO<> > >>> \"CANCELLED\"&TODO<>\"NOTE\"&TODO<>\"\"&LEVEL>1&SCOPE<>\"local\"" > >>> ((org-agenda-overriding-header "CEG > >>> tasks not in Bugzilla") > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> (org > >>> -agenda-skip-function > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> (quote > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> (org > >>> -agenda-skip-entry-if > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> (quote > >>> regexp) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> "\\(cegbug > >>> :\\)") > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ) > >>> ) > >>> ("Z" "CEG tasks in Bugzilla" tags > >>> "CATEGORY={CEG\\|ABC\\|Bizcard\\|Adagio > >>> \\|IT\\|EVAprint}&TODO<>\"DONE\"&TODO<>\"CANCELLED\"&TODO<> > >>> \"DELEGATED\"&TODO<>\"NOTE\"&LEVEL>1" > >>> ((org-agenda-overriding-header "CEG > >>> tasks in Bugzilla") > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> (org > >>> -agenda-skip-function > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> (quote > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> (org > >>> -agenda-skip-entry-if > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> (quote > >>> notregexp) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> "cegbug > >>> :") > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> (org > >>> -agenda-sorting-strategy > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> (quote > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> (todo > >>> -state-up category-down priority-down user-defined-up) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ) > >>> ) > >>> ) > >>> org-agenda-files '("~/Dropbox/todo.txt" "~/Dropbox/Projects") > >>> org-agenda-include-diary t > >>> org-blocker-hook '(org-block-todo-from-children-or-siblings-or- > >>> parent) > >>> org-agenda-menu-two-column t > >>> org-agenda-tags-column -100 > >>> org-hide-leading-stars t > >>> org-clock-into-drawer "LOGBOOK" > >>> org-completion-use-ido t > >>> org-metaup-hook '(org-babel-load-in-session-maybe) > >>> org-footnote-section nil > >>> org-agenda-scheduled-leaders '("" "S%d: ") > >>> org-archive-save-context-info '(time category itags) > >>> org-after-todo-state-change-hook '(org-clock-out-if-current) > >>> org-agenda-text-search-extra-files '(agenda-archives) > >>> org-archive-location "TODO-archive::" > >>> org-agenda-skip-unavailable-files t > >>> org-agenda-default-appointment-duration 60 > >>> org-time-clocksum-use-fractional t > >>> org-agenda-sorting-strategy '((agenda habit-down time-up todo-state- > >>> up priority-down category-keep) > >>> (todo priority-down category-keep) > >>> (tags priority-down category-keep) > >>> (search category-keep)) > >>> org-export-blocks-postblock-hook '(org-exp-res/src-name-cleanup) > >>> org-agenda-prefix-format '((agenda . " %-11:c%?-12t% s") (timeline > >>> . " % s") (todo . " %-11:c") > >>> (tags . " %-11:c")) > >>> org-habit-preceding-days 42 > >>> org-export-latex-format-toc-function 'org-export-latex-format-toc- > >>> default > >>> org-agenda-skip-scheduled-if-done t > >>> org-stuck-projects '("+LEVEL=1/-DONE" ("TODO" "STARTED" "NEXT" > >>> "NEXTACTION") nil > >>> "\\(Appointments\\|Notes\\|Anniversaries\\)") > >>> org-clock-in-resume t > >>> org-export-preprocess-hook '(org-eval-replace-snippts) > >>> org-tab-first-hook '(org-hide-block-toggle-maybe org-src-native-tab- > >>> command-maybe > >>> org-babel-hide-result-toggle-maybe) > >>> org-src-mode-hook '(org-src-babel-configure-edit-buffer > >>> org-src-mode- > >>> configure-edit-buffer) > >>> org-mac-mail-account "GMail: BoostPro" > >>> org-cycle-global-at-bob t > >>> org-confirm-shell-link-function nil > >>> org-reveal-start-hook '(org-decrypt-entry) > >>> org-export-first-hook '(org-beamer-initialize-open-trackers) > >>> org-use-tag-inheritance nil > >>> org-clock-persist 'history > >>> org-todo-keywords '((sequence "TODO" "APPT" "|" "DONE" "NOTE")) > >>> org-agenda-before-write-hook '(org-agenda-add-entry-text) > >>> org-M-RET-may-split-line '((headline) (default . t)) > >>> org-default-notes-file "~/Dropbox/todo.txt" > >>> org-directory "~/Dropbox/Projects" > >>> org-tag-alist '((#("LUANN" 0 5 (face nil)) . 110) (#("WORK" 0 4 > >>> (face nil)) . 119)) > >>> org-agenda-persistent-filter t > >>> org-babel-pre-tangle-hook '(save-buffer) > >>> org-cycle-hook '(org-cycle-hide-archived-subtrees org-cycle-hide- > >>> drawers org-cycle-show-empty-lines > >>> org-optimize-window-after-visibility-change) > >>> org-export-preprocess-before-normalizing-links-hook '(org-remove- > >>> file-link-modifiers) > >>> org-use-speed-commands t > >>> org-mode-hook '((lambda nil (local-set-key [(control 44)] (quote > >>> backward-word))) > >>> #[nil "\300\301\302\303\304$\207" > >>> [org-add-hook change-major-mode-hook org-show- > >>> block-all append local] 5] > >>> #[nil "\300\301\302\303\304$\207" > >>> [org-add-hook change-major-mode-hook org-babel- > >>> show-result-all append local] 5] > >>> org-babel-result-hide-spec org-babel-hide-all-hashes) > >>> org-agenda-menu-show-matcher nil > >>> org-clock-out-remove-zero-time-clocks t > >>> org-font-lock-hook '(org-eval-handle-snippets) > >>> org-agenda-ndays 1 > >>> org-refile-targets '((org-agenda-files :level . 1) (org-agenda- > >>> files :todo . "PROJECT")) > >>> org-extend-today-until 2 > >>> org-ctrl-c-ctrl-c-hook '(org-babel-hash-at-point org-babel-execute- > >>> safely-maybe) > >>> org-confirm-elisp-link-function nil > >>> org-fast-tag-selection-single-key 'expert > >>> org-todo-repeat-to-state "TODO" > >>> org-clock-modeline-total 'current > >>> org-agenda-start-on-weekday nil > >>> org-agenda-fontify-priorities t > >>> org-export-interblocks '((lob org-babel-exp-lob-one-liners) (src > >>> org- > >>> babel-exp-inline-src-blocks)) > >>> org-enforce-todo-dependencies t > >>> org-agenda-skip-deadline-if-done t > >>> org-reverse-note-order t > >>> org-occur-hook '(org-first-headline-recenter) > >>> org-export-preprocess-before-selecting-backend-code-hook '(org- > >>> beamer-select-beamer-code) > >>> org-agenda-cmp-user-defined 'org-cmp-ceg-bugs > >>> org-export-preprocess-after-include-files-hook '(org-export-blocks- > >>> preprocess) > >>> org-tags-column -97 > >>> org-modules '(org-crypt org-id org-habit org-mac-message org- > >>> bookmark org-eval) > >>> org-agenda-auto-exclude-function 'org-my-auto-exclude-function > >>> org-ellipsis 'org-habit-alert-face > >>> org-export-latex-final-hook '(org-beamer-amend-header > >>> org-beamer-fix- > >>> toc > >>> org-beamer-auto-fragile-frames > >>> org-beamer-place-default-actions-for- > >>> lists) > >>> org-metadown-hook '(org-babel-pop-to-session-maybe) > >>> org-clock-idle-time 10 > >>> org-attach-method 'mv > >>> org-export-blocks '((src org-babel-exp-src-blocks nil) (comment org- > >>> export-blocks-format-comment t) > >>> (ditaa org-export-blocks-format-ditaa nil) > >>> (dot org-export-blocks-format-dot nil)) > >>> ) > >>> -- > >>> Dave Abrahams > >>> BoostPro Computing > >>> http://www.boostpro.com > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list > >>> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > >>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > >>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > >> > > > > > > -- > > Dave Abrahams > > BoostPro Computing > > http://www.boostpro.com > > > -- Dave Abrahams BoostPro Computing http://www.boostpro.com _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. 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