I think we just want a decent Mac e-mail app for now.

But you should start a mailing list for replacing the e-mail protocol; Letters 
could support the new protocol once it’s fleshed out.

Yours sincerely,
Paul Waite

On 27 Jan 2010, at 3:08 p.m., James Cox wrote:

> Hey,
> 
> I've skimmed the messages, because you lot talk *a lot* and so if this
> has be brought up before, then apologies.
> 
> I think this is something that's been touched on a little bit - and I
> wanted to throw this in for group think.
> 
> So, there's lots of awesome work trying to rethink the UX of email on
> the desktop, and the ideas coming out look really great. I, for one,
> can't wait.
> 
> But the biggest thing I think that's going to hold all of this back is
> the mail protocol, the way messages are handled, stored, transmitted.
> So, perhaps this is time to consider a new spec for email? (maybe this
> is a side project, based on the work from Letters.app?). This would
> mean we'd switch to a more structured format, have better meta data,
> more focus on real sender/receiver (lets try and cut spam out) and
> something better for managing inboxes -- e.g. what if a mailbox was
> really just a git repository?
> 
> What if the spec for email actually had a proper structure for virus
> and spam scanning? Location data? Organization data? Identity Data?
> 
> (it'd be nice to do-away with noisy signatures if that stuff just
> happened in the meta data for an email, no?)
> 
> I don't know the whole scope for what this would look like, but the
> current spec we use for email (RFC 2822) is almost ten years old now,
> and in that time, spam has become 90% traffic and hacks have occurred
> to describe the provenance and reasoning for the messages we receive.
> I think that's kinda lame, and it'd be well worth looking at that
> again.
> 
> What does that mean for Letters.app?
> 
> If people here are interested in this and taking it further, then
> perhaps Brent will oblige another list to discuss an 'ideal world'
> spec, and we could consider implementing that as the spec between the
> data store and letters.app. Heck, it would be fairly simple to modify
> postfix or similar to spit out emails formatted this way to applicable
> clients. Then, perhaps we can pull a whatwg and push this into the
> wider consciousness as a better specification for email.
> 
> Or I could be talking to myself. :)
> 
> Best,
> 
> James Cox
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