Anyone notice how many of the OSX programs have a "feedback" menu item and their own web pages (www.apple.com/isync for instance), but mail doesn't. Is Apple worried about getting feedback from all the Emailer users? :)
Gordon.
On Thursday, June 5, 2003, at 04:32 pm, Jamie Pruden wrote:
Hi Mark (et al,)
Outlook was a fresh rewrite by jud and some of the other people on the Emailer team that were hired by Microsoft just before and after the closing of Claris. Needless to say, it was basically a modernized Emailer without the AOL support... hard to improve on such a wonderful program.
I was the engineer that did the original installer on Emailer 2.0v3. As such, I was able to see the source for some of the Emailer project. From what I could tell, AOL handed Claris a couple of compiled libraries along with some instructions on how to call them and Claris handled the rest.
Right now, Apple cannot sell or release it as (last check) they do not have a copy of the original source code at Apple. This is from about 3 years ago when I was in the SCM group at FileMaker. I believe there is still a copy of it at FileMaker and a copy in FileMaker's offsite storage... *if* they were to really go digging for it. I also know of some people who have a copy of the source, however, they are (for obvious reasons) not coming forward anytime soon. In fact, I know that one of them has been trying to carbonize the Emailer source so that it would work in OS X, but there has not been a real concerted effort to do this due to job and time constraints. I suppose that if we could get enough carbon savvy developers together that we could find a way to coordinate the development effort and release an "updater" for Emailer that would take it to 2.0v4... in fact, I'd be happy to do the installer work to make this happen.
Regrettably, I have to admit that I've switched over to Mail in OS X as Emailer is having too many difficulties with html e-mail from my friends to stick with another classic application. My dear friend has been relegated to occasional use when I need to access really old stuff.
If anyone is really interested in doing the carbonization work, feel free to contact me and I can pass the names along to the appropriate persons.
smiles, Jamie
On Wednesday, June 4, 2003, at 03:39 PM, Mark James wrote:
Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Mark James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed Jun 4, 2003 3:39:10 PM US/Pacific To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Emailer base code
Also, Apple hasn't probably released the people who programmed Emailer
(Michelle, Jud, and others who have been on this list in the past) from
the non-disclosure agreements that they signed. So anyone making the code
available would possibly be just looking for a juicy lawsuit from that
corner, too.
Emailer's last update was 1998, so any NDA's will have expired on this.
Outlook, as we all know, was derived from Emailer and its authors. The
Emailer Source code is covered by copyright and trade secret, however,
and Apple has stated it will not sell or release it, so those chances are
out the window.
Emailer is unfortunately dead as a product, regardless of how much a handful of users use it. Fortunately it still works!
There was a third party who developed a similar product a couple years
ago, but I don't think finished it. The problem is getting a reliable
data storage inbox which does not become corrupted with large quantities
of email. All the major packages suffer from this, for reading discussion
boards, and while Emailer had its corruption phase, it was related to OS
8, and has not been a problem in a couple years, fortunately. So CE is
probably still the most reliable product for those with tens of thousands
of emails in their inbox. ;-)
Failure is not an option. It comes bundled with your Microsoft product.
-- Ferenc Mantfeld
Mark James SoftRAID, LLC mjames@ softraid.com
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