7/12/03 Karl.Winkelmann :

>Perhaps we could even gather together (as mirrors) all the different CE 
>related web pages.

We would need authorizations from the authors, and sites still active 
would require some automation to update the mirror when the originals 
change.

Maybe it would be easier to just link those sites at first, but ask the 
authors to inform us or transfer the contents to our site when they 
someday consider closing theirs.

>As I mentioned recently, after someone noticed that 
>Diane's macmailer site vanished, I have a duplicate of the Fog City site

You can upload it to Chris' ftp and we'll decide of some folder 
organization to make it available from the web site when it's up. That 
way in case you can't get authorizations from someone in charge at Fog 
City or if they refuse, we could just break our web mirror but keep the 
private archive that doesn't infringe any law (or require member login to 
access it from our site so that there would be less risk of someone 
finding we abused their copyright, and so that we could argue it's our 
private home-hosted copy of once public data). I think I saw how to 
restrict access to some pages on my ISP's servers, it should be easy.

Something similar could be done for other pages: link to the original 
while it exists but dump a copy to the ftp from time to time and mention 
that it's there for members in case the original disappears.

It sounds restrictive, but real mirroring exceeds my current abilities 
and copyright can be tough or tedious to deal with, whereas emailer-talk 
membership is free and easy.

>and wondered if anyone had a copy of Diane's site though it needed some 
>updating.  

Maybe someone could get it from Google's cache? I don't know how, but I 
think there's a chance.

They even got some pages of mine that aren't linked from anywhere and 
can't be manually accessed from a browser without knowing their full URL, 
which puzzled me.

>This could all be put together with the newer stuff into a single 
>consolidated site if Chris allows us to do that.  I am quite prepared to 
>work up those individual ftp files, etc., into some web pages, so people 
>can see what the files do.

I propose to keep the backup mirrors and current files on his ftp, and 
store our new web pages on the new ftp/web site that is probably stronger 
for web access (and maybe backup that too in case the ISP dies or some 
member makes a false move while on the web admin ftp).

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