Yersinia,
Thanks for sharing your analysis of Thunderbird - its always most
helpful to hear the details of what these applications do or don't do,
particularly as our various systems and computers are different as are
our needs and facility for using the programs. I've interlined some
thoughts below.
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>So I didn't actually try PowerMail, and I didn't like Mail.app -- but
>Thunderbird has ENOUGH of a CE look-and-feel (a helluva lot more
>than Mail.app!). I'm still in the transition period with Thunderbird, and
>I'm finding that while there are some CE things I definitely miss, there are
>also other things about it I like as much or better. My comparison so
>far (Day Three of Thunderbird):
I started to download Thunderbird yesterday and thought it didn't go
through because of my wire signal wasn't strong enough but it appears it
did and I found it through Spotlight. I opened it and was asked if I
wanted to download the settings and Address Book from Netscape (will do
that later after I ask about your experiences below).
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>Section One -- What I Miss From CE so far are...In CE:
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>1. It seemed easier to get at reply-to-all (for when I do list emails).
When I hit the reply icon in the CE menu bar it brings up a window
asking if I want to reply to sender or to all - what does Thunderbird do?
>
>2. I could have a zillion siggies on file, and use whichever one I
>wanted for any given email. Doesn't seem like I can have ANY in
>Thunderbird, without it being a total pain in the ass.
What is a "siggie" ?
>
>3. I loved the Read Mail folder, to which I was able to automatically
>shunt Inbox mail directly after reading it. Thunderbird doesn't have a
>Read Mail box at all (much less the ability to shunt read mail to the
>folder of your choice). I had to make my own Read Mail folder and do it
>manually. Minor pain in the neck, but I'll get used to it.
How do you create a folder in Thunderbird? ...ah, see below!
I don't bother much with Read files except when I am having an Internet
problem and want to clear my CE browzer of incoming and outgoing when I
dump everything in Read Mail. Otherwise I file things in the folders I
created, hopefully sooner rather than later!
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>4. I only had to deal with one thing at a time! I find it disconcerting
>in Thunderbird that if I select an email, I not only still see the Inbox
>(or whatever folder I'm in) list of emails on top AND the text of the
>selected email below. To just read an email with no "distractions," I
>have to double click fast. I'll get used to this, though, maybe in about
>a week or two.
I can see that would be annoying. I agree with you that it is
disconcerting to have too much unrelated stuff on the screen.
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>5. No nagging. Firing up CE and hitting cmd-B gets you straight to the
>browser -- it doesn't ask you stupid questions about if you want to work
>online or offline, like Thunderbird does.
Is there no Preference option to shut these off? I'd find that
annoying too.
In CE I sometimes have to click Browzer in the menu bar (you shortcut with
Cmd-B, better). Sometimes if I quit without closing the windows I'm
working on
they and the browzer load automatically after firing up CE.
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>6. Queue Message was wonderful! I miss it! There is no Queue Message in
>Thunderbird that I've been able to find. Draft email handling is also
>better with CE. In CE, if you choose to "save as draft" for a particular
>email, later when you choose to send it and click the little clock,
>that's all there is to it. In Thunderbird, yes, you can save draft
>emails, but when you're ready to send them, you have to click Edit to
>get the "send" icon back and send them immediately.
Oh dear - yet another click.
>
>7. Email from both my accounts was picked up with one "cmd-K." Not in
>Thunderbird! There is no cmd-K, and I have to click the account and a
>Get Mail icon to pick up mail -- one at a time.
Also a nuisance.
>
>Section Two: In the following respects, I find CE and Thunderbird to be
>equals (i.e., there's no change at all):
>
>1. Organizing my existing mail (i.e., filing received and sent messages
>to their final destination folders) is done exactly the same way for
>both CE and Thunderbird.
Well thats a plus.
>
>2. The ability to have nested folders.
Thats a plus.
>
>3. If a folder has unread emails in it, it's bolded.
Thats a plus
>
>4. The same little curved arrow appears on read mails I've replied to.
Thats great.
>
>Section Three: Now we come to the things I like BETTER about Thunderbird
>(which is why I also feel I'll make the adjustment in only a week or two):
>
>1. It's MUCH easier on my aging eyes. I don't have to squint to read the
>subject lines of emails anymore.
I also find I'm squinting after my cataract surgery
>
>2. So far, Thunderbird appears to handle sending emails with attached
>files much better than CE. (I've only sent one email with attachments so
>far, but I found the files faster and they sent faster.)
I find this a little clutsy too in CE until Chris helped with the
setting to
Base 64 - though a few people still have trouble downloading my
attachments.
Also clutzy in CE is sending an Email designated bcc when I'm sending to
groups. I have to send the same notice to twenty or so groups (the
server went accept
one mail with hundreds of addresses in it). So I compile one notice with
the info and use the 'Forward' device to copy it twenty times. Even
though the original notice is designated bcc it defaults to "to" which
means I have to change the other 19 copies - and the same with Base 64
which it also doesn't retain which I forward the Email - so its a bit of
a pain, and I don't know of a better way to do it .
>
>3. I like how it BOLDS quoted text from my correspondent's message.
That sounds good.
>
>4. I like that all my imported CE folders are all contained in one
>master folder, which I can flippy triangle up for privacy (or a
>streamlined appearance), or down when I'm looking to get at something or
>do my filing. The column on the left showed every single personal folder
>I had, at all times, in CE.
Thats wonderful - as I have hundreds of folders I created and most
are nested with sub-folders.
>
>5. Thunderbird's address book is a little more versatile. Not only do
>they display alphabetical even if you didn't enter them that way, but
>you can also import a new person to the address book from an email you
>get or send to them...Maybe this is how they compensated for shorting us
>on siggies.
siggies again???
>
>Well, that's where I'm at with it now. Oh, and Bea, I'm not brave for
>having switched -- I switched because I got scared off with the recent
>Issues. Nor do I plan to unsub from this list, so you don't have to miss
>me either. :-)
Am so glad to hear that :) And thank you once again for sharing
such detailed information. Just one last question - do you know if the
Internet Server techie's
understand and like Thunderbird? Perhaps someone else out there may know?
Bea
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