Raspberry should stay where it is intended to be.
A learning platform to bring people closer to computer programming.
Most of the stuff I've seen people implementing on the RPi is just to say
"you can do it", if it is useful is on another page.
Myself, I've tried lcnc on the RPi but was unable to get it further than
simulation.
Simulation was also more than boring.
On the other hand I've build quiet a few CNC Mills and lathes controlled by a
BBB with
a 20" HDMI monitor, keyboard and mouse attached.
I used stepper drive/motor as well as pulse controlled servo drive/Motor
combination and
users are more than happy with it.
Velocity, smoothness, precision, repeat parts, interrupt machining and start
from selected
line works all great on the BBB.
If I use axis on the BBB, there is sometimes small jumps on tool-path-display,
but that has
nothing to do with machine control. On the part I see nothing of that jumps,
it's just the GUI.
I have to to say, most of that machines run for educational purpose, not 24/7
machining
commercial parts.
Educating people and high precision part machining is main use of that machines.
I've another machines running on BBB/LCNC combo that has only very far
something
to do with CNC Machining. Most of them include some precision motion control
and a lot
of PLC stuff.
Toroid coil and Transformer winding machines, brush maker machines, punch
machines
with feeder, disk cutter with feeder, packing and stacking lines.
Those machines runs on BBB as well but mostly doesn't include a GUI, some LED's
and
Buttons are used for user control.
I've tried to implement Computer vision and LCNC together on the same BBB
hardware but
that's really to much for BBB, but no matter, the price of BBB I can use 1 BBB
for CV and one
for realtime-control.
All in all, I recommend BBB for controlling CNC machines to 100%, literally
meaning to control
the machine, not for generating G-Code using some graphical software, cam or
another
converting processor.
Machine and GUI can run on the BBB with HDMI monitor, keyboard and mouse
attached all
without any problems.
Ju
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1. Re: Prempt RT on Raspi/ARM (Marius Liebenberg)
2. Re: Prempt RT on Raspi/ARM (W. Martinjak)
3. Re: Prempt RT on Raspi/ARM (Nicklas Karlsson)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2016 13:25:35 +0000
From: "Marius Liebenberg" <mar...@mastercut.co.za>
Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] Prempt RT on Raspi/ARM
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Hi Nicklas
The rpi does not have the same performance as the BBB when it come to
the IO stuff we are talking about here. The BBB has a TI chip that has
two very fast MCU's build into the core (over and above the actual ARM
core). They handle the IO stuff via some DMA arrangements. The RPI does
not have these MCU's and must do the IO in another fashion.
Mashinekit is a port of linuxcnc that runs very well on the BBB at this
time.
The MCU's on the BBB can handle a clock rate of up to 200Khz. I think
the STM32 will have a hard time to get to that if at all. If I can give
some advise I would say have a look at what is happening with the BBB
and machinekit. There are FPGA boards running Hostmot driver interfaces
already. And a heap of other developments.
In conculsion I would say that you should get a better performance from
the BBB than from most Pc's. The display is another story still but with
the introdcution of FPGA stuff, the display issues might be gone soon as
well.
------ Original Message ------
From: "Nicklas Karlsson" <nicklas.karlsso...@gmail.com>
To: "EMC developers" <emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net>
Sent: 2016-02-03 14:46:26
Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] Prempt RT on Raspi/ARM
>Yes I read post, Rapberry and beagle bone are fantastic cards. Is there
>any small unknown delays then running on Raspi or Beagle bone? Or is
>the problem the same as on an ordinary computer, usually work well
>enough?
>
>I do not expect more from Beagle/Raspberry unless they have been able
>to get proper handling of interrupt priorities since they are less
>powerful than ordinary computer. Do you know if Beagle/Raspberry have
>proper handling of interrupt priorities in kernel?
>
>STM32 I would expect more from because it's known there is nothing else
>disturbing. As is now I am using Preemt RT but for the long run I will
>try get something I know perform as expected every time.
>
>A small jerk every now and then is OK for youtube or telephone but less
>so then machining part because it stick to the part.
>
>
>Nicklas Karlsson
>
>
>
>On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 13:13:07 +0100
>"W. Martinjak" <mats...@play-pla.net> wrote:
>
>> Did you read my post/question, or is this a simple reflex answer?
>>
>> On 2016-02-03 12:50, Nicklas Karlsson wrote:
>> > I was thinking more about something like the STM32 discovery
>>boards. The STM32 micro controller have an Cortex-* CPU with nested
>>interrupt controller. The Raspi is essentially an ordinary computer
>>and I have not been able to figure out if it have nested interrupts
>>and the idea was to get rid of everything that may delay CPU every now
>>and then. I run control loop at 40kHz which is equal to a period of
>>25?s on STM32 and it works perfect including low priority taks not
>>because of performance but because nothing will stop it from getting
>>the necessary clock cycles then needed.
>> >
>> > GUI --> G-code, motion planner and other real time --> Motor
>>controlling switches.
>> >
>> > GUI would be on ordinary computer which usual work well but may
>>delay CPU every now and then.
>> > G-code, motion planner and other real time would be on micro
>>controller which may not delay CPU every now and then.
>> > Motor controlling switches would be on separate card, usually there
>>is need for electrical isolation anyway especially if running from
>>voltage which may be dangerous.
>> >
>> >
>> > The point is to get rid of the annoying delay for unknown reason
>>every now and then. What is good enough for video with maybe 50 frame
>>per second is not good enough for tasks running twenty times as often
>>even if CPU is very fast but small unknown delays may happen.
>> >
>> >
>> > Nicklas Karlsson
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 12:23:11 +0100
>> > "W. Martinjak" <mats...@play-pla.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> OK, not as easy...
>> >> I will reword my question.
>> >>
>> >> I've made a driver based on the pluto board and it's working on
>>machinekit with
>> >> raspi2 over spi and other altera boards.
>> >> Partly works with beagleboneblack.
>> >> https://github.com/tinkercnc/spi-fpga-driver
>> >>
>> >> And I asked if it would work with Lcnc.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 2016-02-03 03:24, Jon Elson wrote:
>> >>> On 02/02/2016 06:24 PM, W. Martinjak wrote:
>> >>>> How far is the development of lcnc on raspi/arm?
>> >>> LinuxCNC has been running on the Beagle Bone Black for
>> >>> several years. It is mostly the same codebase as LinuxCNC,
>> >>> except for running on the Prempt-RT kernel (I think I got
>> >>> that right).
>> >>> The Beagle Bone Black has a pair of 200 MHz microcontrollers
>> >>> that are used to handle step generation and other low-level
>> >>> I/O tasks at much faster speeds than the Linux CPU can deal
>> >>> with them. Great for software step generation. The Pi does
>> >>> not have these microcontrollers.
>> >>>> Would this [1] work with bare lcnc installation.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>> No, the regular LinuxCNC distribution is for an X86
>> >>> platform, only. Machinekit is the distro for the Beagle.
>> >>> I think people have gotten it running on the Raspberry, but
>> >>> the I/O on that board is VERY limited.
>> >>>
>> >>> Jon
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 14:29:11 +0100
From: "W. Martinjak" <mats...@play-pla.net>
Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] Prempt RT on Raspi/ARM
To: emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
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Hmmm, is there a topic-obfuscating-campaign going on?
On 2016-02-03 01:24, W. Martinjak wrote:
> How far is the development of lcnc on raspi/arm?
> Would this [1] work with bare lcnc installation.
>
> [1](the last three messages)
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/machinekit/cjRA3OFtTIM/rZQ21QfCAwAJ
>
>
> On 2016-02-02 23:29, Ralph Stirling wrote:
>> Nicklas,
>>
>> There is a fork of LinuxCNC called Machinekit. The Machinekit developers
>> have the system running on BeagleBoneBlack sbc's and RaspberryPi2's.
>> They also have the real-time portions running on FPGA's. One effort
>> involves using System-On-Chip FPGAs, which include ARM processor cores.
>> The real-time activity is implemented directly in FPGA hardware, and the
>> non-real-time actions run under Linux on the ARM core. If you are interested
>> in CNC on microcontrollers, you should go check out Machinekit.
>>
>> -- Ralph
>> ________________________________________
>> From: Nicklas Karlsson [nicklas.karlsso...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2016 1:27 PM
>> To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
>> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Prempt RT --> RTAI, Xenomai, delay
>>
>>> ...
>>> That's because NOBODY (manufacturers or distributors) wants to futz with
>>> testing motherboard latencies, problems with their obsolescence, IO
>>> boards, controllers, USB issues, etc. All that is a big concern to
>>> anybody who wants to see LinuxCNC as part of their business.
>> Preempt RT do not manage priorities properly for interrupts while RTAI and
>> Xenomai do. It is rather simple, execution time to service an interupt every
>> now and then will delay real time tasks with as much time as they take to
>> execute. Then there are SMI which will interrupt anyway. I run control loop
>> at micro controller at 40kHz and it works perfect because it allow nested
>> interrupts with priority.
>>
>>> ...
>>> In addition, I believe that linuxCNC needs to be split into two parts
>>> and "sold as such" by default:
>>> - headless LinuxCNC with hard RT kernel to run on different SBCs to
>>> handle all CNC IO
>> There are cheap development board with micro controllers available. Most of
>> them use some kind of Cortex-* CPU with an NVIC for nested interrupts with
>> priority which is really great for real time even though they have a lot
>> less computing power avaiable than an ordinary computer.
>>
>> I would suggest to investigate possibility to separate code so that the real
>> time tasks could be run on an micro controller. There also development
>> boards available with extra ram so that they can run Linux, maybe even X11
>> would be possible.
>>
>>> - GUI frontend, local or remote, connected to Linux workstation or
>>> modern tablet over USB, ethernet, or WiFi. Countless digital tablets can
>>> be had for under $100 that could serve as CNC UI.
>> GUI could stay on ordinary computer while real time taska move to cortex-*
>> micro controller, they talk via TCP/IP and maybe even X11.
>>
>>> ...
>> Nicklas Karlsson
>>
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 15:30:52 +0100
From: Nicklas Karlsson <nicklas.karlsso...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] Prempt RT on Raspi/ARM
To: Marius Liebenberg <mar...@mastercut.co.za>, EMC developers
<emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net>
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You work like a sales person, everything is good without promising anything. Do
you know if they handle priorities properly? No uknown delays for like 100?s
every now and then? Clock rate of 200kHz is this the rate it can execute tasks
realiable?
Display must be solved but if it have Ethernet X11 this might be a very good
option. I already have running on ordinary compture with inverters made myself
although a moment ago then I was away for five minutes I got an unexpected
delay message. The best would probably a protocol to talk the real time part of
linuxcnc via some kind of protocol and in such design of user interface would
be very flexible.
Nicklas Karlsson
On Wed, 03 Feb 2016 13:25:35 +0000
"Marius Liebenberg" <mar...@mastercut.co.za> wrote:
> Hi Nicklas
> The rpi does not have the same performance as the BBB when it come to
> the IO stuff we are talking about here. The BBB has a TI chip that has
> two very fast MCU's build into the core (over and above the actual ARM
> core). They handle the IO stuff via some DMA arrangements. The RPI does
> not have these MCU's and must do the IO in another fashion.
> Mashinekit is a port of linuxcnc that runs very well on the BBB at this
> time.
> The MCU's on the BBB can handle a clock rate of up to 200Khz. I think
> the STM32 will have a hard time to get to that if at all. If I can give
> some advise I would say have a look at what is happening with the BBB
> and machinekit. There are FPGA boards running Hostmot driver interfaces
> already. And a heap of other developments.
> In conculsion I would say that you should get a better performance from
> the BBB than from most Pc's. The display is another story still but with
> the introdcution of FPGA stuff, the display issues might be gone soon as
> well.
>
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Nicklas Karlsson" <nicklas.karlsso...@gmail.com>
> To: "EMC developers" <emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net>
> Sent: 2016-02-03 14:46:26
> Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] Prempt RT on Raspi/ARM
>
> >Yes I read post, Rapberry and beagle bone are fantastic cards. Is there
> >any small unknown delays then running on Raspi or Beagle bone? Or is
> >the problem the same as on an ordinary computer, usually work well
> >enough?
> >
> >I do not expect more from Beagle/Raspberry unless they have been able
> >to get proper handling of interrupt priorities since they are less
> >powerful than ordinary computer. Do you know if Beagle/Raspberry have
> >proper handling of interrupt priorities in kernel?
> >
> >STM32 I would expect more from because it's known there is nothing else
> >disturbing. As is now I am using Preemt RT but for the long run I will
> >try get something I know perform as expected every time.
> >
> >A small jerk every now and then is OK for youtube or telephone but less
> >so then machining part because it stick to the part.
> >
> >
> >Nicklas Karlsson
> >
> >
> >
> >On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 13:13:07 +0100
> >"W. Martinjak" <mats...@play-pla.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Did you read my post/question, or is this a simple reflex answer?
> >>
> >> On 2016-02-03 12:50, Nicklas Karlsson wrote:
> >> > I was thinking more about something like the STM32 discovery
> >>boards. The STM32 micro controller have an Cortex-* CPU with nested
> >>interrupt controller. The Raspi is essentially an ordinary computer
> >>and I have not been able to figure out if it have nested interrupts
> >>and the idea was to get rid of everything that may delay CPU every now
> >>and then. I run control loop at 40kHz which is equal to a period of
> >>25?s on STM32 and it works perfect including low priority taks not
> >>because of performance but because nothing will stop it from getting
> >>the necessary clock cycles then needed.
> >> >
> >> > GUI --> G-code, motion planner and other real time --> Motor
> >>controlling switches.
> >> >
> >> > GUI would be on ordinary computer which usual work well but may
> >>delay CPU every now and then.
> >> > G-code, motion planner and other real time would be on micro
> >>controller which may not delay CPU every now and then.
> >> > Motor controlling switches would be on separate card, usually there
> >>is need for electrical isolation anyway especially if running from
> >>voltage which may be dangerous.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > The point is to get rid of the annoying delay for unknown reason
> >>every now and then. What is good enough for video with maybe 50 frame
> >>per second is not good enough for tasks running twenty times as often
> >>even if CPU is very fast but small unknown delays may happen.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Nicklas Karlsson
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 12:23:11 +0100
> >> > "W. Martinjak" <mats...@play-pla.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> OK, not as easy...
> >> >> I will reword my question.
> >> >>
> >> >> I've made a driver based on the pluto board and it's working on
> >>machinekit with
> >> >> raspi2 over spi and other altera boards.
> >> >> Partly works with beagleboneblack.
> >> >> https://github.com/tinkercnc/spi-fpga-driver
> >> >>
> >> >> And I asked if it would work with Lcnc.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On 2016-02-03 03:24, Jon Elson wrote:
> >> >>> On 02/02/2016 06:24 PM, W. Martinjak wrote:
> >> >>>> How far is the development of lcnc on raspi/arm?
> >> >>> LinuxCNC has been running on the Beagle Bone Black for
> >> >>> several years. It is mostly the same codebase as LinuxCNC,
> >> >>> except for running on the Prempt-RT kernel (I think I got
> >> >>> that right).
> >> >>> The Beagle Bone Black has a pair of 200 MHz microcontrollers
> >> >>> that are used to handle step generation and other low-level
> >> >>> I/O tasks at much faster speeds than the Linux CPU can deal
> >> >>> with them. Great for software step generation. The Pi does
> >> >>> not have these microcontrollers.
> >> >>>> Would this [1] work with bare lcnc installation.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>> No, the regular LinuxCNC distribution is for an X86
> >> >>> platform, only. Machinekit is the distro for the Beagle.
> >> >>> I think people have gotten it running on the Raspberry, but
> >> >>> the I/O on that board is VERY limited.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Jon
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
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