[Emc-developers] Extended long-term support for Buster, separating documentation was Re: Where to inspect the latestdocumentation->GitHub (was Buildbot(s))

Sun, 22 Sep 2024 04:01:27 -0700 



> Gesendet: Samstag, 21. September 2024 um 21:23
> Von: "gene heskett" <ghesk...@shentel.net>
> An: emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
> Betreff: Re: [Emc-developers] Where to inspect the 
> latestdocumentation->GitHub (was Buildbot(s))
>
> <html><head></head><body>On 9/21/24 12:51, Greg C wrote:
> &gt; On Fri, Sep 20, 2024 at 1:45 PM andy pugh <bodge...@gmail.com> wrote:
> &gt; 
> &gt;&gt; On Fri, 20 Sept 2024 at 18:24, Greg C <gregory.d.c...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> &gt;&gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt;&gt; I am all for moving the ball forward, but the commit without any 
> warning
> &gt;&gt;&gt; was definitely a hard pill to swallow.
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; It does only affect those using buildbot builds and master. Normal
> &gt;&gt; users, working with released versions of 2.9 are unaffected.
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt; 
> &gt; I am aware.  The point was not to speculate on how many users were
> &gt; impacted, but rather to point out the unannounced impact to the users.
> &gt; Changes of this magnitude could benefit from clearer communication,
> &gt; especially since some "normal" (non developer) users rely on the master
> &gt; branch, and updates to it, for legitimate reasons.
> &gt; 
> &gt;   On Fri, Sep 20, 2024 at 12:26 PM andy pugh <bodge...@gmail.com> wrote:
> &gt; 
> &gt;&gt; On Fri, 20 Sept 2024 at 17:13, Marius Liebenberg 
> <mar...@mastercut.co.za>
> &gt;&gt; wrote:
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt;&gt; So please do not drop the ball on the Buster users. At least not 
> until
> &gt;&gt;&gt; there are a new stable Debian release.
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; Buster is out of support, though.
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; However, the reason for dropping support was not that, it was the
> &gt;&gt; unavailability of various software packages (a working version of 
> po4a
> &gt;&gt; for example)
> &gt; 
> &gt; 
> &gt; I know it happened slowly over time, but it seems like this project has
> &gt; become the LinuxCNC Document Translation project.

That comment is appreciated. Quite some effort goes into that and we yet do not
have a reliable readout about how much this is helping our community to attract
new users or is indeed a distraction.

What indeed shall not happen is that we have documentation-associated 
dependencies
hinder the backport of LinuxCNC to existing users.

The answers I see is that
 - we could help with backports of the LinuxCNC dependencies and consequently 
also
 - move LinuxCNC from buster to buster-backports. There is the 
Debian-independent freexian project
   to provide such https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Extended for older releases

> > While I appreciate that
> &gt; document translations were deemed necessary, it seems to have drawn focus
> &gt; away from the main project and had a counterproductive effect. Perhaps
> &gt; managing document translations in a separate repository could help us 
> focus
> &gt; more on the core project while still supporting that important work.  The
> &gt; shear number of commits that have broken things, as well as the the
> &gt; increase in size of the project (now hundreds of megabytes) due to 
> document
> &gt; translations is concerning.
> &gt; 
> FWIW (not much) I agree. I have no clue how to shrink the main docs, 
> there is very little that can be deleted. At the same time 1100+ pages 
> to be tossed in the bin at new release time is too big. By the time it 
> has been put on dead tree's its $14+ for decent but recycled paper and 
> $50 for ink for my old brother tabloid sized printer/scanner.  And on 
> 24lb paper, it doesn't fit comfortably in a binder with 2" D-rings. I 
> think it can be said that we have a tiger by the tail.  How can we tame it?

I do not think that the documentation should be printed - online PDF/html
should be all you need.

Also, I have uploaded all LinuxCNC PDFs to a chatGPT assistant at
https://chatgpt.com/g/g-vfeQnX43z-linuxcnc-assistant
(yes, I should find a Free alternative) that I guess shall also help with
translations, and explains stuff.

Best,
Steffen




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