PSNet We've had a healthy interchange here about the desirability and possibility of having a single safety standard. there has also been some controversy over specifics...
I think our set of exchanges exemplifies the real world - differences of opinion over a significant issue of change... Rich Nute is correct (and most can agree) - there is a sound technical basis for requirements that can be stated, but... Well, look at the real world. Already some have said here that they can't use the usual/normal rules - they need something different (an exception, if you will)... Everyone believes that their case is an exception - and wants to argue about it with someone (test lab, standards committee, here, etc... ) The historical standards developers (mostly test houses with some manufacturers input) have been responsive to these marketing pressures and have developed specific standards for each group... ergo, a plethora of standards covering many subjects... In North America there have been significantly more standards than in the European system; so we might say that the NA system has been more responsive to the special needs of manufacturers than the European system... In one effort with which many of us are familiar - the development of a single standard for commercial, digital electronic equipment - we can chronicle the ongoing saga, identifying the big bumps as we go along... there are several folks on the PSNet that have been involved in this since ancient times.. (no reference to your age Manning)... It was a momentous effort to combine IEC 380 & 435 to get IEC 950... and the resulting standard was the best (or worst) of both worlds... adding the telecomm requirements into IEC 950 has been ongoing for more that 5 years already and we're still haggling over the details... more frustrating than these fundamental issues is that TC74 has spent most of the last 10 years (and 4 amendments to IEC 950) modifying the standard to settle arguments between manufacturers and test houses... no time to focus on the basics... There are methods for dealing with all of this - each with its attendant benefits and penalties... the IEC 335 approach with the part 1 general requirements and many (a hundred or more) specific product sections has been discussed already... hunting back and forth to determine the full requirement is my biggest complaint... perhaps an electronic version of the standard with auto integration of requirements to fit each case would take care of this... It sure would be nice if we could adopt the (continual) comment of our TC74 Netherlands member (thanx, Theo Wenholdt) - a short statement of principles (10 commandments for safety?) and a lot of common sense in the application... This would work better in some situations than in others... for instance, mechanical engineers can usually tell you the factor of safety designed into any part (which is based upon the properties of the materials used)... electrical engineers usually cannot tell you the factor of safety involved in any aspect of their design... as safety engineers we try to understand these issues (as expressed in some standard) and properly apply them in our evaluation of the equipment... so, remember that the world is more complicated than just identifying the technical issues; although we should continue to keep the focus on the technical... keep up the good discussion... :>) br, Pete Perkins - - - - - Peter E Perkins Principal Product Safety Consultant Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 +1/503/452-1201 phone/fax p.perk...@ieee.org email - - - - -