Chris, you have made an excellent point about the THD problems and how
they affect the power factor.  To help summarize this e-mail thread,
there are really two sources for the power factor shift.

1)  Harmonics generated as you described from the peak-charge effect on
power supply front ends.

2)  Inductive loads being placed on the power grid.

Utility companies CAN place capacitors on the grid to correct the phase
shift from inductive loads.  You decide who pays for that.  However,
power suppliers (utility companies) CANNOT compensate for the harmonic
distortion caused by the input bridge charging a capacitor on the power
supply front end.  This can only be dealt with by using power factor
correction techniques.  By the way, this applies to linear as well as
switching supplies.   There are dangers from THD in both safety and EMC.
 Harmonic currents generate rms currents in the neutral, which causes
heating and can lead to fire. Harmonics also cause power line voltage
distortion which we all have to live with.  Take a look at the ac
voltage in an office environment to see what I mean.

So I must agree with the intent of the harmonic requirements.  As to how
CENELEC has handled the release and enforcement of the specs, there's a
lot to be desired.

David Ried
Woodward Governor
EMC engr
[email protected]
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To: [email protected]; [email protected];
[email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: RE: EN 61000-3-2/3 In the Great Scheme of Things
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Wednesday, July 16, 1997 1:32PM


In this discussion of Power Factor Correction in AC/DC Power Supplies  I
did not hear much  (any?) talk about Harmonic Distortion.  As I
understand
it PFC front ends will of course maintain a unity power factor but the
real

important issue is that they pull current in a sinusoidal fashion
proportional to the applied voltage.

In contrast the average bridge front end on an AC/DC converter pulls
current only at peak when the applied voltage is greater than that
stored
on the front end capacitor.  This causes current to be consumed in a
harmonically distorted form.  It is not uncommon for a PC power supply,
for

example, to have 130% THD current consumption.  If you break the
harmonics
down into components you will see odd harmonics starting very large with
the 3rd and diminishing in amplitude with a sinx/x function so that by
the
27th harmonic or so the contribution is insignificant. All of this is
then
pulled against the system impedance causes voltage distortions and
resonance problems.   Think about your office environment 20 years ago
versus today and all of the non linear loads that have been added to the
system.   PFC front ends are not perfect but they do extend the harmonic
content out past the 27th harmonic where the contribution is not a
problem.

In commercial buildings with Y secondary the 3rd and 9th harmonics (the
tripplens or zero sequence harmonics) do not cancel but add in the
neutral
causing overheating conditions and distort the voltage waveform for
other
loads.  This is why manufactures of power distribution gear have been
putting in 200% neutrals.

As you all know the use of AC/DC converters is only going to increase.
My
reading of these PFC requiring standards is an attempt to protect a
fragile

power grid.

There is more to this story but I think I have made my point.

Regards

Chris Wells
Sr Des Eng.
Cutler Hammer Power Distribution Components
[email protected]
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Original Text
From: C=US/A=INTERNET/DDA=ID/GrassC(a)louisville.stortek.com, on 7/11/97
2:11 PM:
Nice summary Rich
Charles Grasso
EMC Engineer
StorageTek
Tel:(303)673-2908
Fax(303)661-7115

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>From:  Rich Nute[SMTP:[email protected]]
>Sent:  Thursday, July 10, 1997 5:10 PM
>To:    [email protected]
>Cc:    [email protected]
>Subject:       Re: EN 61000-3-2/3 In the Great Scheme of Things
>
>
>
>Hello from San Diego:
>
>
>I appreciate Eric's point of view regarding the harmonics
>standard, EN 61000-3-2.  However, I do have some rebuttal
>remarks.
>
>(Understand that the products that I am responsible for
>are less than 75 watts and therefore are Class A, not Class
>D, under the standard.  As such, the products do not need
>PFC circuits.  So, I am largely unaffected by the outcome
>of the CENELEC BT effective date deliberations.)
>
>Personally, I disagree with the need for this standard.
>I equate it to saying that you shall not place an inductive
>load on the power line because it will cause a phase shift
>which will affect other subscribers.  But, power suppliers
>do not say this, instead quietly installing capacitors at
>strategic points on their own power lines to correct the
>phase shift caused by customers' inductive loads.
>
>Power suppliers could likewise correct for non-linear loads
>by installing "zig-zag" transformers at strategic points on
>their own power lines.  I'm sure these are more expensive
>than capacitors, hence they don't want to do this.
>
>The problem could be minimized by constructing distribution
>systems with much smaller LV loads and using more, yet
>smaller, distribution transformers.  In Europe, the LV
>distribution can be as high as 600 homes, while in North
>America the LV distribution is typically 8 homes!
>
>So, I don't like the power suppliers saying, on the one
>hand, "We will correct for whatever inductive load you
>connect to the system," while, on the other hand, "You
>will correct for whatever non-linear load you connect to
>the system."
>
>June 1, 1998, has been the "effective" date since the
>standard was announced nearly 4 years ago.  The date has
>NEVER been changed, although there have been many attempts
>to change (delay) it.
>
>As of today, effort is continuing to change the effective
>date to January 1, 2001.  I have NO knowledge as to who
>is driving the proposal to change the date, nor do I know
>the process, nor do I have any knowledge that suggests
>a probability for adoption.
>
>The antics of those who have proposed a delayed effective
>date together with the antics of the CENELEC BT have indeed
>confused the situation.  Nevertheless, there has been NO
>official word at any time as to any change to the June 1,
>1998 effective date.
>
>Here's an anecdote.  In 1994, we started a new product
>with lifetime expected to extend beyond June 1, 1998.  We
>developed two power supplies, one with PFC and one without
>PFC.  Our plan is to use the non-PFC until early 1998,
>and then switch to the PFC power supply.  The two power
>supplies use essentially the same board, the non-PFC
>having fewer parts.  We continue to use the non-PFC after
>June 1, 1998, for non-CE markets.
>
>In all of my postings to this group, I have been very
>careful to say that you should not rely on my reports of
>the efforts to delay the effective date.  In my opinion,
>a manufacturer must deal with the "official" effective
>dates first, and have a backup plan to deal with a date
>change.
>
>The current status is that June 1, 1998, is the effective
>date for the standard.
>
>The risk of non-compliance is no or delayed sales in the
>EC.
>
>The risk of early compliance is higher prices.
>
>The risk of a back-up plan is higher development costs.
>
>I don't like any of the choices!
>
>
>Best regards,
>Rich
>
>
>
>

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