Haitong EMC Inc.
Tel : 82-339-376-4117
Fax : 82-339-376-4118
Email : hait...@soback.kornet.nm.kr
Ryan Kim / President of Haitong EMC Inc.
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> A&8q: Korea in a Nut Shell
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What a surprise!
Where did you get those wrong information on Korea
EMI regulation. I wish you have confidence before
post your opinion.
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> A past posting requested info about Korea EMC Requirements. Here's what
> I've learned, condensed for your reading pleasure, and interpretted for
> it's deeper meaning.
>
> A foreign company must hire a Korean EMC lab to represent them for
> government certification, and pay the lab accordingly for the emission
> tests, report creation, and submission of the whole thing to the Korean
> authorities - along with the required fee. User manuals must be
translated
> into Hangul/Korean. You might also have to provide full schematic
diagrams
> with the test report.
>
** What did you mean hire Korean EMC lab. For the Korea
EMI, only Korea government authorized lab can issue the
report to apply for the final certi from the government.
Mostly in Korea (31 labs) and 4 in United States (IBM).
Why don't you apply for the Korea EMI lab accredition
instead of hiring Korea lab! There is no law that other
contries lab can not apply for the accredition. 4 IBM labs
approve the fact. Normal charge for the test and report
is U$600 per model which is almost one third of America
lab charges. Submission fee to the government is U$70
which is more than 1/10 of FCC application fee. Korea
EMI lab issue the report and get test and report fee as
well as application from the applicant and submmit test
report to the government with submission fee without
extra charge. What is wrong with that? Also, EMI lab
get the certi and delivery to the applicant. Certi
is issued within 3 days after the submission which is
really short period of time compared to the other countries.
User's manual must be translated in to Korean because
Korea government wants to let Korean people have the
Korean written manual for the purchasing imported devices.
If you do not translate your manual and supply with English
manual, how Korean people read your manual and understand
how operate? We, Korean people have learn English to use
your products? This is the reason why Korean government
want to see Korean written manual and let foreign manufacturers
supply their system with Korean written manual. I don't see
any problem with that. If Korea manufacturer supply its system
with Korean written user's manual, how American customer will
act? Imagine!
Full circuit diagram must be provided? Where did you get this
wrong information? Only one page block diagran is needed.
If you even do not want to provide one page block diagram, its
O.K. Korea EMI lab draw the block diagram for you.
> This must be repeated every year, and for each product. Every year,
every
> product (plus fees!).
>
** NO! If your system is no more manufactured after one year, just
forget it. If your system is keeping imported after the one year,
you are subjected to have test report to check the your system's
EMI condition to compare to the origition condition when you get
the EMI certi. Thus, if you want have the report, apply to the
Korea EMI lab and get the test report. We charge U$600 for the
test and report which is same as first test and report. If we do
not have this kind of survellience system, how Korea government
control the inspection. Just get the Certi with good system and
sell bad system to the public without and limit? And except
test and report fee, no other charge and submission fee is needed.
If your system is so good and very popular to the public in Korea,
and keep selling for more than year with one model, get just one
more report after one year. I bet your system would not be popular
and would be closed within one year, then just forget about retest.
> Now stop a minute and consider the impact to an imaginary company that
> markets a relatively common but noticable number of products. Let's toss
> up the number 60 for products, and assume a work week in Korea is five
days
> long, and that we're using a typical lab with a typical open area test
> site...
** What company have the number 60 for products? Let me know.
Each model, let say one company have 5 computers with different
model name and spec. If this company export 3 models to the
Korea, only 3 computers are subject to get EMI certi.
Now, let's assume that you use my open site.
> Each emission test takes two days to run, plus time to write and assemble
> the test report, maybe three days total. (Labs tend to be notoriously
slow
> at doing reports, though.)
** Each test take approximately 4 hours and issuing the report another
2 hours. Which lab is so notoriously slow at doing report.
America lab spend at least one shift (8 hours) for the test. Normally
2-3 shifts for the one model. And charge U$1500 (for example) for the
shift. So total test fee would be U$4,500 and spend 3 days. And
issuing
the report the next day. So, approximately 4 days (if lucky) would be
needed to get report with so much money.
Korea labs! one day job for the test and report with U$600. Test
procedure
is same and testing equipment is same too compared to America lab.
Now, compare Korea lab to America lab. Which lab is so fast with less
money.
One big Amreica company visited my lab 10 days ago with 2 computer
systems.
I finished test within 1 shift and next day I issued report. They
were
so glad for the finishing so quickly with less money. They expected
more than
4 days staying in Korea because they have many such time consuming
experience
in Amreica.
If you want to see the proof, just contact me. I will show you.
>
> Three times 60 means that 180 EMI lab working days are required to
> completely run through all the products our imaginary company makes.
That
> amounts to 36 weeks or 9 months of almost continuous testing at one lab.
** I even do not want mention about this. Because it is just your
imagine
and mathemetical multiflying. Last months, I finished 120 models
test
and report and of course all of them got the certi. We work 24hours
a
day if we have many require without getting extra pay. That means
we can finish 6 models a day with one test site. Lab working days
are
the term of America's not Korea's. I really don't understand why
you
put the meaning of working days. Your people prefer to have not
Korean.
We charge U$600 for the test and report per model not by testing
hours
or shift. So, I even do not know the meaning of "EMI Lab working
days"
What does 36 weeks, 9 months mean? Do you think we Koreans are very
undeveloped country people?
>
> Imagine if this company markets 120 products. Now it needs 18 months of
> testing. Oh darn, they don't make years that long, do they? It's now
time
> for the EMC lab to work two shifts, or hire a 2nd lab!
>
** Oh God, getting deeper. Send 120 products to me and I can finish
within one month for the certi. My question. What company markets
120 products within one month? Let me know. I want to contatc them
to make money within one month. And we don't wait until 120 systems
get test report. We go for the one test and report get certi as you
may, may know.
> We have nearly 200 products now and are still growing. (We can't
obsolete
> things nearly as often as we'd like, people still need QBus cards for
their
> good old PDP-11s.) Anyway, we'd need 30 months now for a single shift at
> the lab, two shifts needs 15 months - whoops, still three months left
over!
> Gadfry! we'd need three shifts!
** I have one big American company customer. They markets more than
600
products per year to Korea. They don't have any complain and very
glad
to Korea regulation in terms of time and money. 200 products, peace
of
cake. Don't worry be happy. Contact me for the Korea EMI. If I
spend
more than two months to get all of 200 system's EMI certi, I would
not
charge any cost. Free! Free!
>
Instead, let's guess that Korea company has 200 products which need
marketing
to the United States. How long time and how much money that Korea
company
has to spend!!!!
> So we've just determined that, for a company of our size, we would have
to
> purchase a Korean EMC lab (to assure access and priority, how else could
it
> be done?) and staff it to run three shifts. It would still take nearly
an
> entire year to finish the first round of testing. Oh yeah, I was so
> worried about just finding TIME to run the tests, I forgot to consider
the
> COST, or even if there are enough Korean labs to go around.
** Your people work so slowly like that? Then purchase my lab and hire
me
as your test engineer and pay me U$3,000 per months. Then I will
finish
200 systems within 2 months and will relax, sit back for more than 1
year
to wait another 200 products. Cost? 200 products X U$600 =
U$120,000.
You pay me just U$6,000 for two months salery and you can save
U$114,000.
How much money Korea company has to pay to get 200 products FCC
approval?
I bet you must underestimate Korea and Koreans!!!
> FCC DOESN'T ACCREDITTED ANY KOREA LABS AS NVLAB!!! DID YOU KNOW
THIS?
> (Ha ha ha ha!) *** No good! What's so funny.
>
> Good luck to the rest of you that have the TIME. As for me, I'm going
to
> sit back and watch the fireworks.
>
** Good luck to you too. I will sit back and wait until you purchase my
lab. Pay me U$ 1 million for my test lab. It is cheap price since
my net profit is more than half million dollars per year.
Be real! Instead of sitting back, be a business man and try to make
money
not just complaing.
** Wish to hear from you soon not compain but your opinion with correct
information.
** Bye now. I have to go for 20 system test which I got today.
Best regards,
Ryan Kim
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