Haitong EMC Inc. Tel : 82-339-376-4117 Fax : 82-339-376-4118 Email : hait...@soback.kornet.nm.kr Ryan Kim / President of Haitong EMC Inc.
---------- $)C > :83= ;g6w: Ryan Kim <hait...@soback.kornet.nm.kr> > 9^4B ;g6w: eric.lif...@natinst.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org > A&8q: Re: Korea in a Nut Shell > 3/B%: 19973b 8?y 1@O 1]?d@O ?@HD 3:45 > > Haitong EMC Inc. > Tel : 82-339-376-4117 > Fax : 82-339-376-4118 > Email : hait...@soback.kornet.nm.kr > Ryan Kim / President of Haitong EMC Inc. > > ---------- > > :83= ;g6w: eric.lif...@natinst.com > > 9^4B ;g6w: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org > > A&8q: Korea in a Nut Shell > > 3/B%: 19973b 7?y 31@O 8q?d@O ?@@| 5:52 > > > > > What a surprise! > > Where did you get those wrong information on Korea > EMI regulation. I wish you have confidence before > post your opinion. > > I made comment right after you message. Please refer to the following. > > > ------------------ Your original message ------------ > > A past posting requested info about Korea EMC Requirements. Here's what > > I've learned, condensed for your reading pleasure, and interpretted for > > it's deeper meaning. > > > > A foreign company must hire a Korean EMC lab to represent them for > > government certification, and pay the lab accordingly for the emission > > tests, report creation, and submission of the whole thing to the Korean > > authorities - along with the required fee. User manuals must be > translated > > into Hangul/Korean. You might also have to provide full schematic > diagrams > > with the test report. > > > ** What did you mean hire Korean EMC lab. For the Korea > EMI, only Korea government authorized lab can issue the > report to apply for the final certi from the government. > Mostly in Korea (31 labs) and 4 in United States (IBM). > Why don't you apply for the Korea EMI lab accredition > instead of hiring Korea lab! There is no law that other > contries lab can not apply for the accredition. 4 IBM labs > approve the fact. Normal charge for the test and report > is U$600 per model which is almost one third of America > lab charges. Submission fee to the government is U$70 > which is more than 1/10 of FCC application fee. Korea > EMI lab issue the report and get test and report fee as > well as application from the applicant and submmit test > report to the government with submission fee without > extra charge. What is wrong with that? Also, EMI lab > get the certi and delivery to the applicant. Certi > is issued within 3 days after the submission which is > really short period of time compared to the other countries. > > User's manual must be translated in to Korean because > Korea government wants to let Korean people have the > Korean written manual for the purchasing imported devices. > If you do not translate your manual and supply with English > manual, how Korean people read your manual and understand > how operate? We, Korean people have learn English to use > your products? This is the reason why Korean government > want to see Korean written manual and let foreign manufacturers > supply their system with Korean written manual. I don't see > any problem with that. If Korea manufacturer supply its system > with Korean written user's manual, how American customer will > act? Imagine! > > Full circuit diagram must be provided? Where did you get this > wrong information? Only one page block diagran is needed. > If you even do not want to provide one page block diagram, its > O.K. Korea EMI lab draw the block diagram for you. > > > > This must be repeated every year, and for each product. Every year, > every > > product (plus fees!). > > > ** NO! If your system is no more manufactured after one year, just > forget it. If your system is keeping imported after the one year, > you are subjected to have test report to check the your system's > EMI condition to compare to the origition condition when you get > the EMI certi. Thus, if you want have the report, apply to the > Korea EMI lab and get the test report. We charge U$600 for the > test and report which is same as first test and report. If we do > not have this kind of survellience system, how Korea government > control the inspection. Just get the Certi with good system and > sell bad system to the public without and limit? And except > test and report fee, no other charge and submission fee is needed. > If your system is so good and very popular to the public in Korea, > and keep selling for more than year with one model, get just one > more report after one year. I bet your system would not be popular > and would be closed within one year, then just forget about retest. > > > Now stop a minute and consider the impact to an imaginary company that > > markets a relatively common but noticable number of products. Let's toss > > up the number 60 for products, and assume a work week in Korea is five > days > > long, and that we're using a typical lab with a typical open area test > > site... > > ** What company have the number 60 for products? Let me know. > Each model, let say one company have 5 computers with different > model name and spec. If this company export 3 models to the > Korea, only 3 computers are subject to get EMI certi. > Now, let's assume that you use my open site. > > > > Each emission test takes two days to run, plus time to write and assemble > > the test report, maybe three days total. (Labs tend to be notoriously > slow > > at doing reports, though.) > > ** Each test take approximately 4 hours and issuing the report another > 2 hours. Which lab is so notoriously slow at doing report. > America lab spend at least one shift (8 hours) for the test. Normally > 2-3 shifts for the one model. And charge U$1500 (for example) for the > shift. So total test fee would be U$4,500 and spend 3 days. And > issuing > the report the next day. So, approximately 4 days (if lucky) would be > > needed to get report with so much money. > > Korea labs! one day job for the test and report with U$600. Test > procedure > is same and testing equipment is same too compared to America lab. > > Now, compare Korea lab to America lab. Which lab is so fast with less > money. > > One big Amreica company visited my lab 10 days ago with 2 computer > systems. > I finished test within 1 shift and next day I issued report. They > were > so glad for the finishing so quickly with less money. They expected > more than > 4 days staying in Korea because they have many such time consuming > experience > in Amreica. > > If you want to see the proof, just contact me. I will show you. > > > > > Three times 60 means that 180 EMI lab working days are required to > > completely run through all the products our imaginary company makes. > That > > amounts to 36 weeks or 9 months of almost continuous testing at one lab. > > ** I even do not want mention about this. Because it is just your > imagine > and mathemetical multiflying. Last months, I finished 120 models > test > and report and of course all of them got the certi. We work 24hours > a > day if we have many require without getting extra pay. That means > we can finish 6 models a day with one test site. Lab working days > are > the term of America's not Korea's. I really don't understand why > you > put the meaning of working days. Your people prefer to have not > Korean. > We charge U$600 for the test and report per model not by testing > hours > or shift. So, I even do not know the meaning of "EMI Lab working > days" > > What does 36 weeks, 9 months mean? Do you think we Koreans are very > > undeveloped country people? > > > > Imagine if this company markets 120 products. Now it needs 18 months of > > testing. Oh darn, they don't make years that long, do they? It's now > time > > for the EMC lab to work two shifts, or hire a 2nd lab! > > > ** Oh God, getting deeper. Send 120 products to me and I can finish > within one month for the certi. My question. What company markets > 120 products within one month? Let me know. I want to contatc them > to make money within one month. And we don't wait until 120 systems > get test report. We go for the one test and report get certi as you > may, may know. > > > > > We have nearly 200 products now and are still growing. (We can't > obsolete > > things nearly as often as we'd like, people still need QBus cards for > their > > good old PDP-11s.) Anyway, we'd need 30 months now for a single shift at > > the lab, two shifts needs 15 months - whoops, still three months left > over! > > Gadfry! we'd need three shifts! > > ** I have one big American company customer. They markets more than > 600 > products per year to Korea. They don't have any complain and very > glad > to Korea regulation in terms of time and money. 200 products, peace > of > cake. Don't worry be happy. Contact me for the Korea EMI. If I > spend > more than two months to get all of 200 system's EMI certi, I would > not > charge any cost. Free! Free! > > > Instead, let's guess that Korea company has 200 products which need > marketing > to the United States. How long time and how much money that Korea > company > has to spend!!!! > > > So we've just determined that, for a company of our size, we would have > to > > purchase a Korean EMC lab (to assure access and priority, how else could > it > > be done?) and staff it to run three shifts. It would still take nearly > an > > entire year to finish the first round of testing. Oh yeah, I was so > > worried about just finding TIME to run the tests, I forgot to consider > the > > COST, or even if there are enough Korean labs to go around. > > ** Your people work so slowly like that? Then purchase my lab and hire > me > as your test engineer and pay me U$3,000 per months. Then I will > finish > 200 systems within 2 months and will relax, sit back for more than 1 > year > to wait another 200 products. Cost? 200 products X U$600 = > U$120,000. > You pay me just U$6,000 for two months salery and you can save > U$114,000. > How much money Korea company has to pay to get 200 products FCC > approval? > I bet you must underestimate Korea and Koreans!!! > > FCC DOESN'T ACCREDITTED ANY KOREA LABS AS NVLAB!!! DID YOU KNOW > THIS? > > > (Ha ha ha ha!) *** No good! What's so funny. > > > > > Good luck to the rest of you that have the TIME. As for me, I'm going > to > > sit back and watch the fireworks. > > > ** Good luck to you too. I will sit back and wait until you purchase my > lab. Pay me U$ 1 million for my test lab. It is cheap price since > my net profit is more than half million dollars per year. > Be real! Instead of sitting back, be a business man and try to make > money > not just complaing. > > ** Wish to hear from you soon not compain but your opinion with correct > information. > > ** Bye now. I have to go for 20 system test which I got today. > > Best regards, > > Ryan Kim > > > > >
