Hi Gary:
You pose yet another provocative idea! Re-arranging your statement, I come up with the following: "The requirements in the standards must be made based on 1) the real world situation, and 2) engineering judgement, 3) evaluation, and 4) continued investigation into a) what hazards are occurring, and b) how they can be prevented." These are requirements for STANDARDS. I'm not sure how an NRTL will attack these, except by participating on the standards committees. The standards committee members are supposed to bring their expertise to the table so that the standard is relevant to the hazards. I suggest that your "want" is what standards committees do, not NRTLs. Some certification houses have published their own standards, e.g., UL, CSA, VDE. But, proprietary standards do nothing for world harmonization of standards. Indeed, UL has done research into various hazards, published their findings, and based their proprietary standards on those findings. I've not seen much safety research -- from anybody -- in the last 30 years. Can anyone cite such research since Charles Dalziel published his work on the Ground Fault Circuit Interrupter? Standards committees don't even bother to test new requirements before publishing the standards! The various NRTLs are in business to make money. Even the "not-for-profit" NTRLS must have income exceeding expenses to stay in business. NRTL customers are the source of income. Most NRTL customers only want certification. This is a check-off process. Most NRTLs don't look at a product any further than compliance with the standard. You COULD pay an NRTL to do the things you request. But, I'm not at all sure you would find it worth the money. Indeed, as I have said before, there is no engineering discipline in our engineering schools or in post-grad seminars that would qualify NRTL engineers to rationally do the things you request. Yes, they know well the standards, and some can guess as to the basis for the requirements. But, none of us have an engineering foundation by which we could investigate hazards not contemplated by the various standards. So, safety standards continue to be, as one wag has stated: "the inversion of bad experiences." Best regards, Rich ------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Nute Product Safety Engineer Hewlett-Packard Company Product Regulations Group All-In-One Division Tel : +1 619 655 3329 16399 West Bernardo Drive FAX : +1 619 655 4979 San Diego, California 92127 e-mail: ri...@sdd.hp.com ------------------------------------------------------------- --------- This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.com with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.co (the list administrators).