From: Gary McInturff <gmcintu...@packetengines.com>
To: Kate MacLean <k.macl...@aprel.com>,
gmcintu...@packetengines.com,
Randall Flinders <randall.flind...@emulex.com>,
"'emc-pstc'"
<emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org>
Subject: RE: Lab qualification - and a note on reports
Date sent: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:34:04 -0700
Send reply to: Gary McInturff <gmcintu...@packetengines.com>
Gary -
> Kate,
> My apologies for the apparent slight.
No worries - no slight was perceived!
> In the US, where I'm located,
> NVLAP and A2LA were simply familiar to me. I happen to us NVLAP when I
> qualified a former employers site. Quite possibly their are more
> certifying bodies in the US than just those two and if they carry NIST
> credentials I would accept them as providers of this service as well.
> At the core of the MRA's coming into effect is that the
> countries involved have labs that meet some sort of national independent
> inspection, and I believe that the same IS0 Guide 25 is at the heart. So
> depending on the country in which you work the inspection agency name will
> change but the recommendations are the same.
You are right about this, although in the case of Canada, NIST and
the Standards Council of Canada hava actually had an MOU in this
regard since 1988! The FCC directly accepts SCC accredited labs'
reports (where their sites are filed with the FCC, of course!)
> I would also agree that an example of the report and the time to
> produce, and obviously report and test fees should be a checklist item.
> I would be interested in seeing a copy
It will be my pleasure to forward you one - can you email me your
coordinates?
> Gary
Regards,
Kate
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kate MacLean [SMTP:k.macl...@aprel.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 8:52 PM
> To: gmcintu...@packetengines.com; Randall Flinders;
> 'emc-pstc'
> Subject: RE: Lab qualification - and a note on reports
>
> From: Gary McInturff
> <gmcintu...@packetengines.com>
> To: "Robert F. Martin ITS/QS-Box"
> <r...@itsqs.com>,
> Randall Flinders
> <randall.flind...@emulex.com>,
> "'emc-pstc'" <emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org>
> Subject: RE: Lab qualification
> Date sent: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:09:41 -0700
> Send reply to: Gary McInturff
> <gmcintu...@packetengines.com>
>
> > Yeah, I second that. I try to believe in as little
> confirmation as
> > possible. Extended stacks of paper don't verify anything. For
> the EMC
> > stuff I think that you really want to deal with labs that have
> NIST
> > approval through NVLAP or A2LA. Among other things if you
> don't need an
> > FCC ID you can ship your product as soon as you have the
> report rather
> > than wait for the 6 weeks of FCC time. These labs are also the
> only ones
> > that are going to be covered in the MRA's with Europe etc
>
> <snip>
>
> Just a reminder, All -
>
> Canadian labs which are accredited by the Standards Council of
> Canada also enjoy the same status as A2LA and NVLAP labs with
> respect to FCC DoC rules. The accreditation standard is also
> ISO
> Guide 25. The Canadian - EU MRA is signed and in the
> implementation phase, by the way...
>
> I would add one additional suggestion to all of this discussion
> of lab
> qualification:
>
> Many labs, although they may be technically competent, and have
> the quality systems and controls to carry out accurate work,
> fail to
> properly showcase their work in the reports which they produce
> for
> their clients. Agency personnel (FCC, IC, etc) HAVE
> COMMENTED TO ME ON THIS - understand that a poorly
> prepared report reflects poorly on you as a manufacturer.
>
> This is a mystery to us, as we see our reports as being the
> tangible output of our work - test, certifcation or research.
> Ask to
> be shown a sample report! And beware of offers of "free" or
> "cheap" reports - you will often get what you pay for. It takes
>
> proper time and attention to carry out analysis of data and to
> prepare reports and submissions.
>
> Regards,
> Kathy
>
>
>
>
> Kathy MacLean
> President
> APREL Laboratories
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> Wireless Telecommunications, and SAR-
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