George, Do I have to feel sorry about opening this Pandora's Box (I seem to originate this turn in discussion)? I meant to make innocuous remark (referring to Orwell). Everyone benefits from clarification.
c-ETL is perfectly OK. As to NRTL mark(s), I know of recent agreement between TUV Rheinland and CSA but have not seen the c-version of the mark yet. Hope someone from CSA would clarify for all of us who is recognized CO and who is not. Best Regards > -----Original Message----- > From: geor...@lexmark.com [SMTP:geor...@lexmark.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 5:02 AM > To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org > Subject: RE: NRTL acceptance > > > S. William, > > Thanks for the words on COs and TOs and SCCs. Apparantly UL is one or > more of these, as the c-UL mark is legally acceptable in Canada. > > Now, what other COs has the SCC accredited to issue an approved Canadian > mark? Not CSA, but alternatives to CSA? > > George > > ---------------------- Forwarded by George Alspaugh/Lex/Lexmark on > 11/23/99 > 07:57 AM --------------------------- > > swilliam%apcc....@interlock.lexmark.com on 11/22/99 05:02:15 PM > > To: George_Alspaugh/Lex/Lexmark@LEXMARK > cc: emc-pstc%majordomo.ieee....@interlock.lexmark.com (bcc: George > Alspaugh/Lex/Lexmark) > Subject: RE: NRTL acceptance > > > > George, Canada is not as straight forward as that. There is not a mutual > agreement. In order for a lab to issue a Canadian Approval Mark, the lab > must be accredited as a CO(Certifying Organization) by the SCC(Standards > Council of Canada). The CO must use data that has come from a TO(Testing > Organization) that is also accredited by the SCC. Most labs that issue > their Canada Mark are both a CO and TO so it is very easy for them. The > critical item is that the product has to have been tested against the > relevant Canadian National Standard(very easy for ITE as 1950 is a joint > standard). > If you want to do everything by the book, your US Mark should be from an > NRTL certified by OSHA to the standards that apply to your product and the > Canadian Mark must be from a CO accredited by the SCC. > > > Please respond to geor...@lexmark.com > > To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org > cc: (bcc: Steve Williams/SDD/NAM/APCC) > From: geor...@lexmark.com on 11/22/99 03:42 PM > Subject: RE: NRTL acceptance > > > I tried to recall NRTLs that were approved for asessments of ITE to > UL1950. I did not overlook MET (listed in my note), but may have > missed NTS which may fit this description. I'm not sure the others > are sanctioned for listing of ITE under UL1950. > > There are many NTRLs, including UL. There is no "NRTL" mark, as all > NRTLs are legally equal. The mark of some NRTLs has included the > letters "NRTL" as part of their mark, apparantly by choice. The > CSA/NRTL mark is an example. To my knowledge, the use of "NRTL" in > an agency's mark is not mandatory. CSA has recently changed their > mark to drop the "NRTL" and simply show the CSA mark with "US" > subscript for assessment to the U.S. stadnard. > > However, Canada does not recognize the U.S. NRTLs to assess an ITE > product to the Canadian standard. There is a mutual agreement between > Canada and the U.S. that "allows" a UL assessment to the Canadian ITE > safety standard. This results in the UL mark with a subscript "C", > often called the "c-UL" mark. It is my understanding that when the > Canadian government bids out ITE for its own use, they tend to prefer > the CSA mark over the c-UL mark. This seems to violate the "spirit" > of the agreement, but who can force them to do otherwise? > > George Alspaugh > > (Some or all of the above may reveal ignorance on my part, which can > be "cured" by more enlightened appends to follow.) > > > > > --------- > This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. > To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org > with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the > quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, > jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or > roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). > --------- This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
